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Anton Antonov

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Rack mixer
« on: August 01, 2018, 09:53:38 am »

Hi all!

I`m happy owner of UI16, but now I have possibility to make upgrade to more channels mixer. What I found at the moment:

1) Behringer X32 Rack + S16
32/16

2) Allen Heath QU-SB / PAC + AB168
32/16

3) Soundcraft UI24R
20XLR + 2RCA / 8

For money, UI24 turns out to be more interesting, but also 10 channels less. On the sound quality I suspect that in a blind test there will not be a difference between them. Remote controls on the ipad handles are convenient for everyone. X32, you can pick up the BCF2000 and there will be at least some physical control plus there are expansion slots.
At AH and X32 from pluses that more channels and it is possible to split and not to care stagebox with itself when it is not necessary. From memory, I have never occupied more than 24 channels. AH and X32 seemed more rider-friendly instead of UI.

What would you prefer?
Or it is worth waiting for (seemed that AH should release SQ in the rack)
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Art Nadelman

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Re: Rack mixer
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 10:30:25 am »

Of the 3, I think that Behringer's iPad and PC-based interface is by far the best.  We all anticipate that there will be a rack mount A&H version of the SQ like the QU-Pac or QU-SB.  Of course, the SQ-5 is a 19" top rackmount mixer if you want to go that way today.  Not sure what your budget is, but you could also go with the Allen & Heath CDM32 and rent a console when you need one to be more rider friendly.  I don't think any of the others are rider friendly, though.
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Jay Marr

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Re: Rack mixer
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 10:52:27 am »

You can also pick up the X-Touch to have physical controls of the X32.

I am a happy X32-Rack + S16 (and Midas DL16) user.
I love the apps and all my band mates control their mixes via their own devices.
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Anton Antonov

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Re: Rack mixer
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 10:59:54 am »

Thanks for reply!

Budget is +/- $2000, so CDM is nice but over-budget  :)
For my budget I can find used iDR stagebox, but AH stopped support them, so no new updates ...
I also have a Expression 3 for big events, but I don`t like remote control (no custom strips, no fx tap, no mute groups, etc). In case of work from console, there is no problems except  it have only 2 full eq and LO/HI is shelf, instead of 4.

I want remote for small bands, drums, keys, guit, vox + DJ. In 90% it no more than 16 channels used, if more I will take SI Express 3

Concerning riders-friendly, most bands in my region usually works on the x32, qu24 desks, remotely with ipad, but don`t like my SI (I think just because of the remote control)
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Weogo Reed

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Re: Rack mixer
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2018, 12:34:32 pm »

Hi Anton,

Have you considered the Mackie DL32R?
I have two in local venues, and one as my main mixer.

Each unit has plusses and minuses.
For fast mixing the Mackie app works best for me.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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Robert Lofgren

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Re: Rack mixer
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2018, 12:55:52 pm »

I have to use the ui24 at times and it has some cool features.

However, I find it noisy compared to the x32. It also seems picky when it comes to usbstick recording and we have had more than one recording coming out bad.

But if you already like the ui16 then the ui24 might be the next logical step...

I prefer the x32, but most people here know that already, and it is an expanandable eco-system.
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Luke Geis

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Re: Rack mixer
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2018, 01:46:09 pm »

I have the Behringer X32 Rack and a Midas DL32. If you're going to go with the stage box, I would consider just getting the X32 core. The X32 Rack is pretty much going to require I-pad control ALWAYS despite the front panel controls. The panel is small and it is a little cumbersome moving around with it. I love my X32 Rack, but it is not without its headaches. Since I picked up a Midas M32R and the DL32 stage box, I have been using the X32 Rack a lot less. If I had the X32 core, I think it would make a little more sense.
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Re: Rack mixer
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2018, 02:03:27 pm »

I've been a A&H user for - it seems forever!....

I like the QU-PAC with the AB168. I am very used to the app and I can get around it fast. It might not have some of the bells and whistles that the X32 has but I have never needed anything more than it provides.
It is an easier learning curve from what I can tell if that matters.
I also like the fact that A&H have provided umpteen updates to the firmware adding more and more functions - since I made my original QU16 purchase, the QU series mixers have much more functionality that when they first came out.
A&H didn't have to do any of it but they listened to the forum community and added what they could based on the requests of users. I like that they care.

It has never let me down.
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Re: Rack mixer
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2018, 08:15:21 pm »

+1 on the A&H

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Re: Rack mixer
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2018, 10:28:06 am »

If you let the software be your guide, the Ui-24r is a very strong contender.  If you let Sound quality be your guide, the U-24r again is a very strong contender - I am hard pressed to hear a difference between my SI Exp3 and the Ui-24r...   At a street of about $800 the UI-24r is a real value proposition.
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