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Taylor Hall

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Re: Db Ingenia IG4T first run
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2018, 12:46:45 pm »

You put 2 IG4T's on a tripod?  Is that safe?
That does seem quite precarious since you effectively have a 6ft tall cabinet with an extremely high COG at that point. Seems like a good gust of wind or accidental bump would send that over rather easily.

The only two-high deployments I see in the manual involves flying them or using a pole adapter to rest them in a sub pole cup.
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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2018, 02:52:55 pm »

That does seem quite precarious since you effectively have a 6ft tall cabinet with an extremely high COG at that point. Seems like a good gust of wind or accidental bump would send that over rather easily.

The only two-high deployments I see in the manual involves flying them or using a pole adapter to rest them in a sub pole cup.
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Actually the way I deploy them ia safer then flying , because I always have astrap holding them so they don`t fall front-ward, I always have one or two straps, attacyhed to the stage legs ( bottom) and to any trussing , incase somebody pushed the stand forward.  When used inside the same thing or a strap from the two handles ( where the boxes are joined) to two subs. So again somebody has to deliberately push them down.  The highest I have had them was the bottom of the lower cabinetaround 2.25m

Today I am using only two (one per side) in a casino. will get them high over all the (slot) machines !  I have one right next to a LED screen, you have to really look for a speaker, to see the speaker.  where the tripods are, they stand behind some machines.
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Re: Db Ingenia IG4T first run
« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2018, 04:38:42 pm »

You put 2 IG4T's on a tripod?  Is that safe?

Strapped down properly maybe. To me its not the direct down force I'd worry about its the Pole Socket construction on the speaker. 1/2 of it is more or less a solid 1/2 circle. The other 1/2 is supported by fins. 3 or so. Mine is not in front of me right now. If enough force was to be applied to the back or top pushing forward/back , side to side, these may crack or break off completely.  A tripod pole goes 4 inches into the speaker. So long as the pole and the speaker stay on the same plane I guess it may be alright. The DB Sub Bracket keeps the 2 , short pole and speaker socket on the same plane and keep the stub pole from applying force to the speaker pole socket.

   I've thought about manufacturing something to do this in a different way.  A square piece of metal larger than the speaker with strap tie on's points. A pole wielded to the bottom center that would fit over a tripod like a global truss 132 etc. A pole that would just fit into the speaker just slightly less than the 4 inches that goes into the speaker. The idea would be having the speaker sitting on the plate with the short pole keeping it steady / in place.  Strapping from the top of the speaker down threw the plate to the bottom of the speaker tripod to keep the speaker solid too it.
   My other idea was to use the current connecting brackets that keep 2 speakers connected together and somehow correctly attach that to the plate. Again with the stub pole mounted on the plate.

  In the end though safety first. Knowing me I'd probably just buy the correct stuff and be done with it.  The price of the sub mount and fly mount is a little much though.  1/3 the cost of the speaker to fly/mount it is not a great value but again safety first!

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Renard Hurtado  Do you have a picture of your setup?
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Re: Db Ingenia IG4T first run
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2018, 06:29:29 pm »

Hi, I have used this setup of couple of times ( one on top of the other), but I was always able to strap the handle way up on a trussing ( when used outside), indoors I just strapped it in case someone tries to push it over.

The speakers have made me some money, and last weekI decided to order the ( pricey) brackets, this will take some force from the internal pole socket. Next week on Wednesday I will ser them up in a hall at a shopping center:  the band consists of; piano, bass, guitar, keyboards, drums, congas & timbales. 3 Vocals.

I will post some pics
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Re: Db Ingenia IG4T first run
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2018, 10:41:12 am »

   I've thought about manufacturing something to do this in a different way.  A square piece of metal larger than the speaker with strap tie on's points. A pole wielded to the bottom center that would fit over a tripod like a global truss 132 etc. A pole that would just fit into the speaker just slightly less than the 4 inches that goes into the speaker. The idea would be having the speaker sitting on the plate with the short pole keeping it steady / in place.  Strapping from the top of the speaker down threw the plate to the bottom of the speaker tripod to keep the speaker solid too it.
   My other idea was to use the current connecting brackets that keep 2 speakers connected together and somehow correctly attach that to the plate. Again with the stub pole mounted on the plate.

Having something that shifted the pole mount to between the two coupled cabinets would be ideal. You'd still need a heavy duty tripod, but you'd get a lot of weight much lower and make it way more stable. Taking something like the db sub pole adapter and converting it into a coupler with a pole pocket would fit the bill I think. the hard part would be reverse-engineering their quick-release system for attaching everything.
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Re: Db Ingenia IG4T first run
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2019, 05:45:33 am »

I picked up a set of IG2T's to go with my IG4T's. I've used 1 so far as a side fill. They are going out this weekend as small mains. They have a nice sound to weight ratio  ;) so looking forward to this weekend.

Thanks to Mike Pyle on the sale!

Should anyone have any questions about them let me know.

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Re: Db Ingenia IG4T first run
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2019, 05:47:43 am »

I picked up a set of IG2T's to go with my IG4T's. I've used 1 so far as a side fill. They are going out this weekend as small mains. They have a nice sound to weight ratio  ;) so looking forward to this weekend.

Thanks to Mike Pyle on the sale!

Should anyone have any questions about them let me know.

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Re: Db Ingenia IG4T first run
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2019, 04:19:38 pm »

The Ingenia's are very interesting. I'd be curious to hear from those who have used them for a while how they see the pros/cons of this type design vs point source speakers. There are some amazing, relatively light weight point source designs on the market today, so when would you choose the Ingenia's over a point source and vice versa?

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Re: Db Ingenia IG4T first run
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2019, 06:05:35 am »

The Ingenia's are very interesting. I'd be curious to hear from those who have used them for a while how they see the pros/cons of this type design vs point source speakers. There are some amazing, relatively light weight point source designs on the market today, so when would you choose the Ingenia's over a point source and vice versa?

For me it was , at least in the Ingenia line , a product designed so that it could be doubled up. This wasn't an after thought it was part of the design. Need a little more spl just turn one upside down and put on top of another and your good to go.  Sure other point source can be set side to side but don't have the communication between them that passes information.
 
The weight, size form factor was also there. Most people don't see a Big speaker so they don't hear with their eyes. The IG4T is a "tall,skinny speaker" so it is easy to pack and of course is light compared to some. Easy for a 1 man and a van shows. Its very easy to get the height you need setting them on a tripod.

The Db Technologies RDnet is available to completely monitor the box as well as added eq above and beyond what is available in the power amp section back panel DSP. The Ingenia line is self powered and has 2 layers of delay, 3 band eq , many factory presets for other Db subs, adjustable Low Cut filters of 90 to 120 hz in 5 hz steps for the IG4T and 70hz to 120 in the IG2T.  Of course storage area's for these settings.

Also price. When you say "Point Source" what speakers are you thinking of?  Only a general comparison but for around the price of 1 Danley SM80 and before an amp is purchased to power it you can get 2 IG4T's.

What a person purchases for a speaker will always be a choice of the user. There is many cars,trucks and vans out there but everyone seems to want something different in the end. There is no "Right speaker" for everyone. Everything about a speaker, be it Line Array, Point Source , Column, or not so much point source Woofer and Horn box has to be looked at from SPL, Weight, Size , powered VS nonpowered and add in can it be flown etc to the bottom line price all need to be considered.

For me I'm very happy with the purchase I made. I know all types of speakers have there uses and won't get into a debate as to which is best. That said had the outside summer season not be winding down I would have picked up another set of IG4T's but with the winter inside season for me coming up I'll get much more use out of the IG2T's. Now next summer I do see some IG4T's  8)

A couple of video's showing the way the IG series couples and the RDnet program available

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeUv4qmAqeU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhCYYAsTUd0

Kindest Regards;
Douglas R. Allen

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Re: Db Ingenia IG4T first run
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2019, 05:33:22 pm »

Thanks Douglas! The IG series certainly have my interest. I'm not in a position to expand my inventory at the moment, but the IG's are going to be high on my list when I do. Easy one person transport and easy to scale are huge wins.

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