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Jason Glass

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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2018, 12:59:36 am »

Hi Jason
Have you compared this Axient stuff to the Sennheiser digital 6000/9000 (sound quality and noise floor). The Sennheiser systems are a lot more expensive but people are still buying into so there gotta be some truth to that.
I had 8ch of 6k in the production rig alongside the 16ch of Axient D, and they all performed perfectly. Of course, it's my job to make it so. FWIW, the Senny's have network quirks that the AX don't, but in the end they all did their jobs very well. IMHO, 9k is a technical PITA when part of a larger system, and doesn't play well with integrated multizone antenna systems, so I avoid it when I can. 6k, however, integrates very nicely.

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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2018, 05:16:00 am »

I had 8ch of 6k in the production rig alongside the 16ch of Axient D, and they all performed perfectly. Of course, it's my job to make it so. FWIW, the Senny's have network quirks that the AX don't, but in the end they all did their jobs very well. IMHO, 9k is a technical PITA when part of a larger system, and doesn't play well with integrated multizone antenna systems, so I avoid it when I can. 6k, however, integrates very nicely.

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This mirrors my experience with working with a mixed set-up of 9K, 6K and AD pretty much exactly, point for point.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2018, 08:14:56 am »

This mirrors my experience with working with a mixed set-up of 9K, 6K and AD pretty much exactly, point for point.

I'm going to get a pair of either Axient D or Sennheiser 6K for small events. Which one do you think sounds better? I was able to use the MD9235 capsule with the ULXD through an adapter (lower gain but sounds great) so Shure is fine.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2018, 02:21:01 pm »

Yup.  Neither way is the right way all the time.  I'd much rather be able to choose.

Agreed, but i'd prefer to have the choice as a software as well as hardware setup as the ULXds are.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2018, 07:28:56 pm »

Random question about the axient d's. When having them in switched mode, so all 4 ethernet ports are the same dante/control on all. Does it work like an actual switch or more like daisy chaining? Asking in regards to linking up several receivers and other dante devices.
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« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2018, 10:45:44 pm »

Random question about the axient d's. When having them in switched mode, so all 4 ethernet ports are the same dante/control on all. Does it work like an actual switch or more like daisy chaining? Asking in regards to linking up several receivers and other dante devices.

"Daisy-chaining", like on most Dante things, involves a switch. Even if it's only for two external ports and whatever is inside the box.  So if you daisy-chain a bunch of Dante things you'll have rather a lot of switches in line upping your latency.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2018, 11:29:07 am »

Random question about the axient d's. When having them in switched mode, so all 4 ethernet ports are the same dante/control on all. Does it work like an actual switch or more like daisy chaining? Asking in regards to linking up several receivers and other dante devices.

From page 14 in the manual.

Split/Redundant: This mode places Dante audio and Shure control on
separate networks, while allowing you to take advantage of Dante redundancy.
Switched: In Switched mode, the receiver acts as a 4-port network switch.
Shure control and Dante audio are present on all network ports.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2018, 09:34:54 pm »

AD Audio Gain question here:

We just setup our 12ch AD system with 3 AD4Q rx's. Coming from UHF-R, the gain staging is completely different. On the transmit side, you're given Pad and Mic Offset which as I understand it is used to match 2 transmitters in level for a redundant frequency setup.

Since the receiver meter includes the "system gain" in the receiver, there is no way of metering just the transmitter gain. I read somewhere that AD does some auto gain voo-doo so you don't have to worry about it unless you get an Audio overload error on the TX (at which point engage the -12db pad). Is this correct?

The Shure manual isn't very clear on gain setup procedure, just what each function does. I haven't sound checked a band yet but I'm running our KSM9's at 0 pad, 0 mic offset, and -5 on the receiver. Just talking into it, I can see where I may have to bring that back a few more clicks for a loud vocalist.

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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2018, 10:55:45 pm »

AD Audio Gain question here:

We just setup our 12ch AD system with 3 AD4Q rx's. Coming from UHF-R, the gain staging is completely different. On the transmit side, you're given Pad and Mic Offset which as I understand it is used to match 2 transmitters in level for a redundant frequency setup.

Since the receiver meter includes the "system gain" in the receiver, there is no way of metering just the transmitter gain. I read somewhere that AD does some auto gain voo-doo so you don't have to worry about it unless you get an Audio overload error on the TX (at which point engage the -12db pad). Is this correct?

The Shure manual isn't very clear on gain setup procedure, just what each function does. I haven't sound checked a band yet but I'm running our KSM9's at 0 pad, 0 mic offset, and -5 on the receiver. Just talking into it, I can see where I may have to bring that back a few more clicks for a loud vocalist.

The backline techs I tour with are using the pad and mic offset controls on the AD gear in the same fashion as they used the pad and gain on UHFR tx...to match the levels between different guitars that are on the same input to the patch. Seems to work well for them.
I use the mic offset to trim the tx gain down a bit for the person who tends to yell a bit in their HH.
The menu on the receiver will show what the gain is at the tx and at the rx and what the total gain is through the system.
Don't know if that makes things clearer, but i hope so. :)
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2018, 08:44:11 am »

The backline techs I tour with are using the pad and mic offset controls on the AD gear in the same fashion as they used the pad and gain on UHFR tx...to match the levels between different guitars that are on the same input to the patch. Seems to work well for them.
I use the mic offset to trim the tx gain down a bit for the person who tends to yell a bit in their HH.
The menu on the receiver will show what the gain is at the tx and at the rx and what the total gain is through the system.
Don't know if that makes things clearer, but i hope so. :)

That makes sense apart from the meter on the rx now includes receiver gain. I guess if that was set to "0" the meter would be showing the tx gain, however the system doesn't seemed to be designed that way. I've seen the total gain screen but that still doesn't let you monitor what is coming off the tx.
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Re: Shure Axient
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