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Aram Piligian

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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2018, 10:25:46 am »

I thought I read somewhere that Yamaha was going to provide "native" Dante support and control from within the firmware of their CL and QL consoles.  Has anyone else heard this?  This may well influence my decision on what wireless systems to purchase.

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I would imagine it would be like their implementation of control for ULX-D (which is pretty slick).  It hasn't been released yet, though. 

One possible caveat--you'd have to put the Axient control on the Dante network, as the AD doesn't combine Dante and control in the same port the way the ULX-Ds do.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2018, 11:20:36 am »

AD receivers have true diversity, ULXD not really.
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AD tunes the full (soon to be) legal range of 470-608, ULXD divided into old-style frequency bands.

AD will have "classic Axient" remote control of transmitters when the ADX transmitters start shipping.

ULXD was available several years ago, AD much more recent.  Time marches on.
Is the AD receiver compatible with ULX transmitters?
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2018, 11:27:24 am »

I would imagine it would be like their implementation of control for ULX-D (which is pretty slick).  It hasn't been released yet, though. 

One possible caveat--you'd have to put the Axient control on the Dante network, as the AD doesn't combine Dante and control in the same port the way the ULX-Ds do.
ULXD (and Q) support has been there for years. Axient support is already there for the AXT400 and a few other Shure models.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0bTpP5nrCA

AD is coming in the next firmware update as is the first Sennheiser support - for the EM6000.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2018, 11:35:24 am »

AD receivers have true diversity, ULXD not really. 

AD tunes the full (soon to be) legal range of 470-608, ULXD divided into old-style frequency bands.

AD will have "classic Axient" remote control of transmitters when the ADX transmitters start shipping.

ULXD was available several years ago, AD much more recent.  Time marches on.
AD also has a headphone jack, which ULXD lacks. And it has the ability to monitor multiple units through the one headphone jack (something that I had been asking for for years).
AD has tone generator built into both the RX and then TX. This can be really helpful on a large show where multiple consoles are seeing the same inputs.
-The short answer to Andrew's question about diversity is: The ULXD is an either/or situation where it picks antenna "A" or "B". AD uses the more sophisticated approach that UHF-R used where it is always receiving on both A&B and chooses (or derives might be a better term) the best of both.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2018, 11:39:02 am »

-The short answer to Andrew's question about diversity is: The ULXD is an either/or situation where it picks antenna "A" or "B". AD uses the more sophisticated approach that UHF-R used where it is always receiving on both A&B and chooses (or derives might be a better term) the best of both.

Thank you. Where can I find out the details about this, and how it relates in the real world to better reception?
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2018, 12:13:49 pm »

the AD doesn't combine Dante and control in the same port the way the ULX-Ds do.

I don't get why Shure haven't done this, it seems like the obvious way to set up AD with Yamaha control. Hopefully it will be added at some point.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2018, 01:10:37 pm »

I don't get why Shure haven't done this, it seems like the obvious way to set up AD with Yamaha control. Hopefully it will be added at some point.

I actually like having the option of it being totally split apart--not having a dedicated control port on the ULX-D can be annoying in situations where you don't want control on the Dante network but still want redundancy.  I just patch the control network into the Dante network when I want to merge them. 
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2018, 01:24:57 pm »

I actually ilike having the option of it being totally split apart--not having a dedicated control port on the ULX-D can be annoying in situations where you don't want control on the Dante network but still want redundancy.  I just patch the control network into the Dante network when I want to merge them.

Yup.  Neither way is the right way all the time.  I'd much rather be able to choose.
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2018, 09:52:51 pm »

ULXD was available several years ago, AD much more recent.  Time marches on.

To fully appreciate the this point, AD shares nothing in common, with respect to the RF design and implementation, with UXLD. It's a wholly new,  far more comprehensive and superior design. (Though ULXD development and case studies played a big role in AD's.) 
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Re: Shure Axient
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2018, 12:49:57 am »

I just wrapped up CMA Music Festival at Nissan Stadium, where we had 16ch of AD in the production rig and dozens of channels of it in artists' rigs each day. Its performance was flawless in our high RF noise environment, with 10mW TX settings easily covering the entire end zone stage and playing field out past the 50 yard line.

A constant intermittent barrage of splatter from an errant high power PLMR repeater nearby caused frequent RX interference warnings and RF compression warnings, but the Q meters showed varying readings of 4 to 5 and their audio output was consistently pristine.

A+ grade, IMHO.

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Have you compared this Axient stuff to the Sennheiser digital 6000/9000 (sound quality and noise floor). The Sennheiser systems are a lot more expensive but people are still buying into so there gotta be some truth to that. 
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