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Michael Lawrence

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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2018, 10:03:16 AM »

I don’t know if that behavior is copyrighted or not but I wish other console manufacturers would use something like that.     

I believe the DiGiCo SD series has/had a function where moving a "Control Group" (their term) fader actually physically moves the member faders as well.
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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2018, 11:20:13 AM »

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I like the way that the Avid consoles display on the screen the way that the DCA is affecting the channel with what I think is called the ghost fader. A semitransparent (red framed) fader displayed indicating the DCA level affect. If there is a DCA that is down for that channel you will see the ghost fader all the way down on that channel. I don’t know if that behavior is copyrighted or not but I wish other console manufacturers would use something like that.     

Another of the Avid behaviors that i really like. 
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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2018, 11:56:47 AM »

I believe the DiGiCo SD series has/had a function where moving a "Control Group" (their term) fader actually physically moves the member faders as well.

The Control Group Fader can be VCA style, Mute Only or Fader Move on the SD series.
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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2018, 12:47:10 PM »

I like the way that the Avid consoles display on the screen the way that the DCA is affecting the channel with what I think is called the ghost fader. A semitransparent (red framed) fader displayed indicating the DCA level affect. If there is a DCA that is down for that channel you will see the ghost fader all the way down on that channel. I don’t know if that behavior is copyrighted or not but I wish other console manufacturers would use something like that.     
Mackie Master Fader incorporates this as well.
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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2018, 02:50:42 PM »

Mackie Master Fader incorporates this as well.
...as does MixingStation Pro in its iDCA function.
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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2018, 07:18:41 PM »

...as does the A&H mixpad app for iLive.  It's quite handy.

DCA's are so similar to "variable mute groups" (thanks Don!) that the iLive mixers don't feature "mute groups" directly; their workaround is that you have to use DCA mutes on the softkeys to establish "mute groups".

Great explanations in this thread!  Now I want to go mix something....
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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2018, 07:38:49 PM »

...as does MixingStation Pro in its iDCA function.

This is new to me.

Can you briefly describe the function of an iDCA in Mixing Station please?

Sorry for the Hijack
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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2018, 10:14:22 PM »

This is new to me.

Can you briefly describe the function of an iDCA in Mixing Station please?

Sorry for the Hijack

https://dev-core.org/mixing-station/

Scroll down the page to the developer's Q&A, iDCA discussion is a few entries down.
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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2018, 03:49:47 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMMmR1u0CFk

Knew i'd seen something on this somewhere! Dave Rat's blog from ages back. At about 6 to 7 minutes onwards he speaks about using compression while routing signals through a group and using a DCA. Uses both to change the compression of the mix and therefore varying the energy of the mix without affecting overall loudness. Just reinforces to me that DCA's and groups can be a musical tool as well as a techncial thing and they can work together in harmony.
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Re: DCA/VCA vs Group - white paper - discussion
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2018, 07:50:59 AM »

https://dev-core.org/mixing-station/

Scroll down the page to the developer's Q&A, iDCA discussion is a few entries down.

Thank you Tim!
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