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Debbie Dunkley

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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2017, 12:18:06 pm »

That's why I suggest bringing the Booth Monitor outputs into your board, and back to the wedges. So, you'll have 4 channels (DJ Master L-R, DJ Booth L-R) on your board. Only the DJ Master L-R will be up and in your system; the faders on the DJ Booth L-R will remain down. You just send *those* to the aux send to the DJ Booth Monitor wedge. This way, the DJ still has control over their DJ Booth Monitor send, and can turn it up/down/off as needed, but you maintain supervision and control over that feed. This will allow you to protect your gear!

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OK.. sorry Ray, I missed the 'booth out first' part when I was reading the comments. So booth out into 2 channels ( or another stereo channel) and then aux out to wedge. This will still help with the latency referenced here?
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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2017, 12:22:51 pm »

The latency is negligible at best. (Same as any other stage wedge.) This is how I *always* set up DJ rigs.
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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 12:25:18 pm »

As the wedge is mono, will the booth out have a mono option do you think? Seems silly to use 2 cables and 2 channels.
However, I do have another stereo input plus some channel inputs if I need to use them. It's just the cables I might not have if it is RCA again - darn, this should be down to the DJ - not me.
I have all the cables I need - at what point does he get to take some responsibility?. He's probably earning more than I am that night anyway....I digress......
Do I need to use another couple of DI boxes for the booth outs?
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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2017, 12:28:58 pm »

Just went through my boxes of miscellaneous cables and stuff.
I found 2 30ft  NICE TRS cables if he is 1/4" out, I found 2 x 6ft heavy duty RCA cables. I also have my Rolls stereo DI which accepts RCA or 1/4", and I have a box that although it was bought as a 'hum eliminator' it works well as a patch box converting male/female XLR to 1/4" and vice versa. I'll just take everything with me.
BTW... the RCA cables are the type that have 3 cables together - usually L & R audio and one video. There isn't any difference between those and the single RCA cables is there? I have the standard RCA cables but they are not as heavy duty as these.

I have a Rolls DB14 that I have used to put playback into a mixer and it monos it out. I checked it with SMAART and found that it has a relatively steep roll off stating at 150hz. I don’t know how flat the one you have is but be careful, you wouldn’t want to roll the bass of like that for a DJ.
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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2017, 12:30:32 pm »

Depends on what his mixer/controller outputs. Most standalone mixers (DJM-series) have 1/4" outputs. So, I built an 8-channel DJ Patch Snake for this-- 50' of multicore, pair each of 1/4" F-XLR (for DJ Master Out) and M-XLR (for DJ Booth Returns for powered speakers) on one end, and all XLR on the other end to land on a console/stage box in the right orientation. Bit of colored heat shrink to color code the channels (blue for left, red for right) and then p-touch labels under clear heat shrink for actual channel labels makes for a quick and easy setup.

If you have a second set of DIs for booth outs to take either 1/4" or RCA, that's going to be the safest way to be prepared. I've never seen a DJ mixer/controller with XLR for booth monitor outputs.

Get some cheap F-RCA to Male-1/4" plugs, so you can short-length-RCA from mixer to your DIs, and then XLR to the console/snake.
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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2017, 12:44:20 pm »

A DI is safe but it's unnecessary if you're not connecting to mic inputs....

I respectfully disagree.

I always isolate my rig from DJs , Band recorders & Video folk. I can never know what they might do, the condition of their gear, or how they power stuff.
Not blowing up my gear!


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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2017, 12:45:26 pm »

Depends on what his mixer/controller outputs. Most standalone mixers (DJM-series) have 1/4" outputs. So, I built an 8-channel DJ Patch Snake for this-- 50' of multicore, pair each of 1/4" F-XLR (for DJ Master Out) and M-XLR (for DJ Booth Returns for powered speakers) on one end, and all XLR on the other end to land on a console/stage box in the right orientation. Bit of colored heat shrink to color code the channels (blue for left, red for right) and then p-touch labels under clear heat shrink for actual channel labels makes for a quick and easy setup.

If you have a second set of DIs for booth outs to take either 1/4" or RCA, that's going to be the safest way to be prepared. I've never seen a DJ mixer/controller with XLR for booth monitor outputs.

Get some cheap F-RCA to Male-1/4" plugs, so you can short-length-RCA from mixer to your DIs, and then XLR to the console/snake.

My stereo ins are 1/4" on the console (just to complicate things)
but both my analog drop snakes are XLR/ 1/4" combo inputs and XLR outs. So I would have to convert the outputs if I use the stereo ins on the console. Won't have to convert if I use mono channel inputs.

Regarding your advice to use DI's for the booth outs too : I will use my stereo/dual mono DI box for FOH L & R and that conveniently has RCA/ 1/4" inputs.
However my other 2 DI boxes have only 1/4" inputs but fortunately I have RCA > 1/4" adaptors I can use on that RCA cable.
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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2017, 12:53:08 pm »

Well crap ..... I just double checked and it's my 50ft 16 channel snake that has the combo inputs - my 25ft and 30ft 8 channel snakes ( that I would prefer to use) do not - just XLR. Oh boy ......I gotta simplify this somehow. Sounds like the routing is simple but its the frickin' cable types that are getting in the way- LOL
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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2017, 12:58:19 pm »

As the wedge is mono, will the booth out have a mono option do you think? Seems silly to use 2 cables and 2 channels.
However, I do have another stereo input plus some channel inputs if I need to use them. It's just the cables I might not have if it is RCA again - darn, this should be down to the DJ - not me.

If the DJ uses DJM900 then there is a mono/stereo switch but unfortunately this will affect all outputs (Master, rec and booth).
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Re: Dj use of my system NYE
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2017, 01:05:35 pm »

OK so......
DJ mixer L R out > stereo DI box (either RCA>RCA or 1/4">1/4" as box can accommodate both) > snake XLR in > XLR/ 1/4" adaptor to console stereo line ins.

Booth L R out > 2x DI boxes (OK if 1/4" outs on DJ mixer but if RCA will use RCA to 1/4" adaptor) >snake  XLR in > XLR/ 1/4" adaptor to console.

If this is it, then all I have to do is make sure I have 4 RCA to 1/4" adaptors. yes???
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