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Callan Browne

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How much Haze?
« on: June 09, 2017, 02:32:18 am »

I've been slowly building up the light show for our band and would like to get some more atmosphere on stage with us.
I might get a pair of moving lights next year, but for now I've got 6 X LED parcans and 2 X 4LED Tree's (all in one).
I've been mounting them in different places each gig, trying to find the best placement between shows.

We play shows of pretty much all sizes.
This would be only needed for indoor, nighttime shows.

The biggest room we're booked in for next month, seats about 600 people, all around a dance floor area.
This is by far the biggest room my system will be used in, generally crowds of <150 would be the usual (standing room, seated room maybe 80?).

I've read a heap of threads on hazer this week, maybe of them talked about filling the whole room.
How long did it take, where was the air-con, air-flow, etc.
All great info.

What I'm not sure of though, is why the full room needs to be in a haze.
Could just the stage and dancefloor be covered?

I'm pondering buying a unit, maybe the Z350, but not having used one before I'm trying to gather a bit of detail first.

For our show next month, I will likely hire a unit to get a feel of how they work, what they look like, etc.
My local hire shop has the Martin Magnum 2500 Hazer, which is about 2.5 times the cost of the Z350

Any recommendations?

Cheers,
« Last Edit: June 09, 2017, 08:39:46 am by Callan Browne »
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Re: How much Haze?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2017, 08:16:23 am »

I've been slowly building up the light show for our band and would like to get some kind of more atmosphere on stage with us.
I might get a pair of moving lights next year, but for now I've got 6 X LED parcans and 2 X 4LED Tree's (all in one).
I've been mounting them in different places each gig, trying to find the best placement between shows.

We play shows of pretty much all sizes.
This would be only needed for indoor, nighttime shows.

The biggest room we're booked in for next month, seats about 600 people, all around a dance floor area.
This is by far the biggest room my system will be used in, generally crowds of <150 would be the usual (standing room, seated room maybe 80?).

I've read a heap of threads on hazer this week, maybe of them talked about filling the whole room.
How long did it take, where was the air-con, air-flow, etc.
All great info.

What I'm not sure of though, is why the full room needs to be in a haze.
Could just the stage and dancefloor be covered?

I'm pondering buying a unit, maybe the Z350, but not having used one before I'm trying to gather a bit of detail first.

For our show next month, I will likely hire a unit to get a feel of how they work, what they look like, etc.
My local hire shop has the Martin Magnum 2500 Hazer, which is about 2.5 times the cost of the Z350

Any recommendations?

Cheers,
Air flow is the key.  I did an event in a 450 seat theater with 35' ceilings and a moderate backstage area.  During setup the air was effectively off and I was running about 8% output on my Chauvet AmHaze II with plenty of haze.  When they kicked the air conditioning on, that sucked the room out so fast I went to 100% output and I wished for more.

As to where the haze goes/is necessary, you don't really have much control over that.  Put the hazer by your lights, and if possible, get a fan to spread it around.  If there isn't much airflow in the room, eventually the whole room will fill up, since you can't really contain the haze.  If there's a lot of airflow, you'll be struggling just to keep the haze where the lights are and it will never reach the rest of the room.

I would strongly suggest getting the biggest hazer you can if you're playing in 600 seat rooms.

By the way, make sure you clear haze use with the venue.  Some systems are just fine, others are fairly sensitive and you WILL set off the fire alarm.

Get the biggest hazer you can.  You can always turn it down.
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Re: How much Haze?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2017, 08:41:26 am »

We have a mobile stage and primarily do outdoor shows. We have been through a dozen hazers and foggers and have always had issues. I purchased the Antari F7 Smaze unit http://www.elationlighting.com/f-7-smaze-arena-fog-faze-hybrid and use Froggy's Faze fluid. The built in fan makes all the difference. You can direct it where you need it. Obviously it is it bit more expensive then the units listed above but it keeps up even outdoors in all but the heaviest wind.
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Re: How much Haze?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2017, 08:29:08 am »

Thanks TJ and Steve.
Can anybody else let me know what happens when your haze/faze machine doesn't have enough rig for the gig?
Is it patchy, non existent, or .. ?

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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2017, 11:24:21 pm »

Thanks TJ and Steve.
Can anybody else let me know what happens when your haze/faze machine doesn't have enough rig for the gig?
Is it patchy, non existent, or .. ?

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If you're inside and your haze is disappearing then it's due to the air flow of the heating/cooling system.
Visibly you'll see haze near your machine and then it will thin out as it gets further away, so it makes sense to have your machine near to your lights. As haze is moved by air ( if you have no air flow at all in a room then you have a different problem) patchy, thin or non existent places are likely regardless of the size of the room.
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Re: How much Haze?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2017, 08:10:27 am »

On a fun note, here is an image from last weeks show that shows how well the haze is working outdoors. This is with the hazer set to about 25%.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19105657_727697414079941_825011417273841644_n.jpg?oh=4c7d593b81feecff09a333bf28d92e78&oe=59D90BFB
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Re: How much Haze?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2017, 09:34:46 am »

Thanks TJ and Steve.
Can anybody else let me know what happens when your haze/faze machine doesn't have enough rig for the gig?
Is it patchy, non existent, or .. ?

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An update - I looked at my "Haze Full" board preset and it wasn't actually full output - it was more like 15% output.  In the above room I mentioned, around 20% was more than enough to maintain, but still 5X what was needed before the AC went on.

This past week I was in a large gym 100' x 220'.  I needed about 30% to maintain haze, but was grateful to have 100% available (the real 100%, not the wrongly labeled board preset I had before) to fill quickly.

I very much agree that putting the haze where you want the beams makes a big difference. 
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Re: How much Haze?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2017, 09:35:29 am »

On a fun note, here is an image from last weeks show that shows how well the haze is working outdoors. This is with the hazer set to about 25%.

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19105657_727697414079941_825011417273841644_n.jpg?oh=4c7d593b81feecff09a333bf28d92e78&oe=59D90BFB

If I can get that look in a room like below, I'd be happy.
And really, only the stage and directly in front I need to cover, at least that's what I'm thinking.

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Re: How much Haze?
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2017, 12:13:32 pm »

If I can get that look in a room like below, I'd be happy.
And really, only the stage and directly in front I need to cover, at least that's what I'm thinking.

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The Z350 will be more than enough. I actually want one to replace a fog machine I use in a 250 seat room.

In that room you need a couple of tree's upstage, a couple of speaker mounted front wash, and some haze would make for a great looking show.

These are mostly cheap $35 Chinese lights, Par 38 incandescent front wash and a high-output fog machine running on a timer.
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2017, 08:51:48 pm »

I'm frustrated because everywhere we play, I can't use my machine. All our outdoor shows have been daylight - so no luck so far!
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2017, 05:10:23 am »

That was my fear.  Anyway, 1/3rd off plus free freight plus end-of-financial-year (Australia) tipped me over the edge.

I hope it's not a boat andhor.  :-)
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2017, 09:24:56 am »

Haze in a room is kinda like the smoking section in a restaurant. You can tell it to only smoke in one spot, but the whole place still smells like an ashtray.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2017, 03:07:24 pm »

Humidity seems to make a great difference too. If you have low air flow and high humidity, the haze will just hang and hang, and you can use the low setting on both the fan and the haze and it will look great with even coverage. We did an outdoor show last night and started in such windy conditions that we thought the hazer (a cheap Chauvet 2D) would be useless. The first set was in daylight so the hazer was off. By the second set, the wind died down and it got very humid, and we had haze aplenty for a 30 x 16 stage and a crowd of about 500 ppl.
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2017, 02:54:53 am »

Well I guess there is only one way to find out for sure - I've just ordered a Z350 and expect it to arrive later this week.

This weekend we're playing an outdoor party for a 30th birthday, around 150 people.
If it's windy then I'll leave it in the car, but we'll see what happens.

There might even be a fire to keep everyone warm - a real life smoke machine!
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2017, 08:26:00 pm »

Well I guess there is only one way to find out for sure - I've just ordered a Z350 and expect it to arrive later this week.

This weekend we're playing an outdoor party for a 30th birthday, around 150 people.
If it's windy then I'll leave it in the car, but we'll see what happens.

There might even be a fire to keep everyone warm - a real life smoke machine!
I had my first gig last night that had enough circuits for me to get up & running and my new fazer has made a massive visual difference, I'm very happy.

Even with 700+ in the room, we had a nice light haze with the unit on or just under half.
I guess I was lucky with air flow.

Thanks for all the input!

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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2017, 03:25:01 pm »

Hey dude,

I just got a MegaLite H1 Hazer for my birthday and it is absolutely amazing. I can tell you for a fact that it would work for you and your band. I used it in a outdoor pavilion and it filled the space with in minutes while showing my light beams. The good thing about it is that it is only $209.00. The machines only downfall is that it doesn't have DMX capability, but it does come with a wireless remote. The Machine also has a built in fan inside of it. If you would like for me to send you videos of me using in the outdoor pavilion, just let me know.


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