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Re: Advice for using what I have for big event...............
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2017, 01:33:32 pm »

They're at least OK with SRM 450s for wedges, if I figured out the "PPL" TLA correctly :)

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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2017, 01:38:35 pm »

Pure Prairie League is not a difficult act to please. Super nice guys, and last time I worked with them they didn't have any engineers or anything. They get in, sing, eat granola, and leave.

You need vocal clarity more than anything else. The 4 115 tops will be OK IF you get them up in the air. I suggest using those 10 subs to get the tops up in the air more than providing any thump. PPL doesn't need much sub at all. I would definitely suggest using the 112's as delays. The 115's will only go so far with any real clarity. Put your 112's together as a mono delay somewhere. It's best if you can kinda walk the venue and see where the 115's start falling off, but I know that requires extra setup time. Just make your best guess and go.

Good monitors will be way more important to the musicians than a huge FOH rig.

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Re: Advice for using what I have for big event...............
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2017, 01:48:27 pm »

Tim, if I gathered from the OP correctly, the 112s are the only option the OP has for wedges.... I suspect you're going to need at least two more, though. [Lead vox will need their own, maybe supporting musos might be able to share one, but I don't know how many that is, drummer will want one.]

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Re: Advice for using what I have for big event...............
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2017, 01:59:56 pm »

Tim, if I gathered from the OP correctly, the 112s are the only option the OP has for wedges.... I suspect you're going to need at least two more, though. [Lead vox will need their own, maybe supporting musos might be able to share one, but I don't know how many that is, drummer will want one.]

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Thanks for the input guys.  Im just an individual (dumb farmer) and its kinda embarrassing to put all this out but Its going to be knowledge over equipment in this situation....(i lack in that department also..)   I was thinking of ev powered 112s (model escapes me) for the delay speakers.   That leaves monitor selection being - 2 QRX 112, One EAW 112 (sim spec to the qrx), 2 eaw 10" wedges..... also have 3 of the cheaper community wedges that dont plan to use.  May even rigged up a bi-amped 15-10-1" rig for the drum riser?   
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Re: Advice for using what I have for big event...............
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2017, 02:02:50 pm »

Tim, if I gathered from the OP correctly, the 112s are the only option the OP has for wedges.... I suspect you're going to need at least two more, though. [Lead vox will need their own, maybe supporting musos might be able to share one, but I don't know how many that is, drummer will want one.]

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If this is truly the case, I'd be looking at renting some matched wedges for the event. It sounds like you have a monitor desk which is great. I hope you have an engineer to run it and outboard EQ to tame the feedback. PPL was fine on some MI level JBL's the last time I dealt with them. So any wedges you can get will likely be fine, but I wouldn't piecemeal this thing. Get enough matching wedges to do the event. QSC K12's or similar are fine and seem to be easy to rent anywhere.
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Re: Advice for using what I have for big event...............
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2017, 02:05:03 pm »

I just re-read the OP.

Maybe you can rent more QRX112's which make a fine monitor. Then use the 5th QRX115 as a delay. Maybe just send vocals to it.
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Re: Advice for using what I have for big event...............
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2017, 02:23:12 pm »

It sounds like you have a monitor desk which is great. I hope you have an engineer to run it and outboard EQ to tame the feedback.

Yes, external eq for 4 mon mixes. 
I don't have a splitter snake however...I'll be sending direct outs from the foh to the monitor board on a 2nd snake to inputs on the stage board.  Also, Im in need of a monitor person...have backup plan but looking to better.   Am i taking y'all back to the 90s?

Sounds' like fun huh......
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Re: Advice for using what I have for big event...............
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2017, 02:58:29 pm »

Yes, external eq for 4 mon mixes. 
I don't have a splitter snake however...I'll be sending direct outs from the foh to the monitor board on a 2nd snake to inputs on the stage board.  Also, Im in need of a monitor person...have backup plan but looking to better.   Am i taking y'all back to the 90s?

Sounds' like fun huh......

No, it actually doesn't but if you look at their schedule they have played everything from nice soft seat venues to casinos and an Elk's Lodge.  They are probably "production tolerant" for lack of a better word.  The staying power of the band of my youth never stops amazing me.  They all are still out playing Firefall, Ambrosia, Poco, LRB.  I heard the lead singer quip about being played in supermarkets constantly.

Anyway digression aside.  There are things you are going to need you just don't have.  Proper power distro, yellow jackets, half way decent lights.  A volunteer crew can be a real nightmare as they aren't practiced in doing the task.

The very first thing you need to do is to contact the band.  Not the promoter or any other intermediaries.  Don't BS, lay out your challenges.  They will tell you what is needed and how they have handled situations like this before.

You need to be a little more stern with the organizers of the event and remind them that people are coming out to see a band they have heard and liked.  The revenue generated will be directly proportional to the experience of the audience.  To make production ride on no budget is nothing short of insane.  I bet the catering, port-a-potty and other folks are getting paid.  You need a production partner. 

Where are you located again?

Welcome to the forums. 
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Re: Advice for using what I have for big event...............
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2017, 03:05:13 pm »

They're at least OK with SRM 450s for wedges, if I figured out the "PPL" TLA correctly :)

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Re: Advice for using what I have for big event...............
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 03:12:47 pm »

"Dumb" Farmers built this country. They typically know how to get stuff done no matter the challenges they face.

Case in Point. You are here asking the right questions.


I would ask the organizers to supplement the audio with some budget money at this point. You need to hire a monitor guy that knows what end of a 58 to use. You also really need a split snake for this. If not, every change of gain on the monitor desk will effect a change at FOH too.

Rent a splitter and a monitor guy and maybe even a few wedges. Have the event pay for that. You can still volunteer yourself and the equipment you own, but since they stepped up the talent, they need to step up the production too.
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