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[Kevin Maxwell]

Yamaha CL5 with Neve plugin?

I have heard that a Neve plugin in the premium rack of the CL5 helps to warm up the sound of the console when inserted on the output bus. What Neve plugin is it that does that? Is it that you just insert it or are there any special settings that are then recommended to get that sound?

[Riley Casey]

The CL has a Neve branded parametric EQ and a comp.  The comp is certainly pleasant sounding in its way but doesn't warm things up the way say a pair of Summits tube comps would across the stereo buss.  If you want to try the over all warming up effect set it to 1.5 or 2:1 and run the threshold down til your pretty much in some gain reduction most of the time and see what you think.

[Tim Weaver]

Sounds like snake oil sold by golden-eared sheisters.

I use the CL5 every day and there is no need to "warm" it up. Also. The Neve EQ and Compressor plug ins are designed to be uber transparent. So any "warmth" somebody heard was all in their head. 

[John Roberts {JR}]

seriously?   

JR

[Riley Casey]

As much as "warm" sound has any sort of definition it seems to be associated with devices and processes that add even order harmonic distortion to the signal.  If the man wants to add distortion to his mix who are we to judge?  Are gated snare reverbs any worse? I suspect he won't find what he wants in the Neve compressor on the Yamaha but thats what he asked about.  Might have more success with the tape saturation effect but hey thats why they're called toys. 

[Jason Raboin]

Typo found in a rider recently sent to me:

1ea Summit DCL200 Rube Compressor

[Mac Kerr]

Typo found in a rider recently sent to me:

1ea Summit DCL200 Rube Compressor

You sure it's a typo?

Mac

[Riley Casey]

Where is the like button when you need one?

Typo found in a rider recently sent to me:

1ea Summit DCL200 Rube Compressor

[Scott Helmke]

The Neve Portico compressor is a pretty nice thing to throw across a lead vocal or an IEM mix.  But it's not some magic thing to "warm up" a console that doesn't sound bad in the first place.

[Justice C. Bigler]

Yamaha seems to be really pushing their Neve incorporation. Every time I talk to my Yamaha guy, he keeps harping on all of their Neve emulations on the new PM10. I keep telling him that I'm not really interested in the Neve stuff and more interested in things like workflow, GUI, ease of automation and networking, and how big/heavy it is and whether it takes 2 guys to move the console or if I need to get 4.

I have the Neve EQ inserted across my main outputs as the 6 band EQ. But I wouldn't say it's something that I really pay alot of attention to or notice.

[John Roberts {JR}]

This is likely a case of the customer is always right... if they want pfloobiedust, give them plooobiedust.

JR

[Dave Garoutte]

This is likely a case of the customer is always right... if they want pfloobiedust, give them plooobiedust.

JR

You misspelled floobydust.

[John L Nobile]

I've never been sure what a "warmer" sounding effect really does. My thoughts are that it cuts the hi end or adds distortion. If it cuts the hi end then I might tend to boost the highs on the channel strip. Seems counterproductive.

I found that the old BSS 402 comps sounded "warm" but when I A/B'd the signal, there was more hi end when bypassed. It also sounded tighter for the same reason only it was the lo end that was cut. Personally I don't want my comps to make EQ changes to my signal so I sold them off before the bottom dropped out of the market.

[Kyle Waters]

I use the Neve EQ plugin on my piano mics.  I bypass the stock Yamaha EQ.  I swear its a smoother "warmer" EQ.

[Frederik Rosenkjær]

I use the Neve EQ plugin on my piano mics.  I bypass the stock Yamaha EQ.  I swear its a smoother "warmer" EQ.

The stock Yamaha EQ is a standard "cookbook" filter EQ - you know, exactly the same as is found in countless DAW plugins which sounds absolutely fantastic when wrapped in a beatiful GUI/skin and sold at a high price, and less awesome when presented in a more everyday fashion.

[MikeHarris]

You misspelled floobydust.

No...his pfloobydust is the high-end licensed and branded Neve version

[Ryan Hammond]

Sounds like snake oil sold by golden-eared sheisters.

I use the CL5 every day and there is no need to "warm" it up. Also. The Neve EQ and Compressor plug ins are designed to be uber transparent. So any "warmth" somebody heard was all in their head.

I've been on the QL5 (same preamps I believe as the CL5), and the pres already sound pretty 'warm'. So, I agree... there's no need to warm it up any more. It's transparent, but smooth all the way through the frequency band. It's a very solid console as is. Any EQ or comp insert is going to add 'some' coloration, but I don't really see a need for it.

[Hayden J. Nebus]

Sounds like snake oil sold by golden-eared sheisters.

I use the CL5 every day and there is no need to "warm" it up. Also. The Neve EQ and Compressor plug ins are designed to be uber transparent. So any "warmth" somebody heard was all in their head.

+1 . The CL's portico compressor is mondo transparent. I'll run the 33609-alike on the main bus, but more to keep things reigned in than for flavor. I don't know about the necessity of added warmth but there's an 1176 and an LA-2A in there that definitely have flavor.

[Ned Ward]

if they want pfloobiedust, give them plooobiedust.

JR

Classic bait and switch...

[Jean-Pierre Coetzee]

If you think its warmer measure it, easy way to see whats happening.

From what I can tell warmer tends to be more even harmonic distortion, it might sound like there is less highs but I think it's more a matter of more mids, but not from eq, eq can't create harmonics only boost them.

Tubes don't sound like FETs and there is nothing an eq can do about that, Tubes can be emulated quite well these days but that is far more than just EQ, tubes are known to sound warmer(they are also warmer but I think that is mere coincidence)

Reminds me about smoke being the true secret to electricity, wonder how they keep it in the plugs if I forget to turn off the switch before I unplug.

So many questions...

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