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Alexandre Saieg

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RF Explorer to WSM
« on: May 21, 2017, 02:15:29 pm »

I need to import a single sweep date from RF Explorer to the Sennheiser WSM.

Diogo Nunes Pereira, in 2015 explain how to do it. (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,156695.msg1438069.html#msg1438069), but I have a PC and it doesn't works

How can i convert it ??

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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 10:53:45 pm »

I need to import a single sweep date from RF Explorer to the Sennheiser WSM.

Diogo Nunes Pereira, in 2015 explain how to do it. (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,156695.msg1438069.html#msg1438069), but I have a PC and it doesn't works

How can i convert it ??

I realize you are asking about Explorer but here is a video which explains how to import TTI into all the different RF coordination programs.  The process will be similar for Explorer.

HOW to format TTI for IAS, WWB and WSM import

And a link to the Excel Macro which does much of the WSM formatting

excel macro to format for WSM

And a simple windows program for combining all your scans into one

TXTcollector


« Last Edit: May 21, 2017, 10:59:27 pm by Pete Erskine »
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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2017, 11:03:46 pm »

I need to import a single sweep date from RF Explorer to the Sennheiser WSM.

Diogo Nunes Pereira, in 2015 explain how to do it. (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,156695.msg1438069.html#msg1438069), but I have a PC and it doesn't works

How can i convert it ??

It depends on the software you're using.  I use vantage on a mac so I can't help you much.  Used to use a windows software via a PC VM (I don't remember which windows software).  Had to export 4 ranges and then merge them together.  You may have to look at the data you're getting out of your software and then massage it into the format that WSM is looking for.
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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2017, 05:56:42 am »

I need to import a single sweep date from RF Explorer to the Sennheiser WSM.

Diogo Nunes Pereira, in 2015 explain how to do it. (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,156695.msg1438069.html#msg1438069), but I have a PC and it doesn't works

Hi Alexandre,

actually James Kazeze (kudos to him) was the one coming up with a method to do what you want; I was just the poster of the original question.

I hope Pete Erskine's method gets you in the right direction.

If not and as reference for the community the attached text file is a step-by-step guide to convert RFExplorer .csv files to WSM format - in English and Spanish.

Cheers

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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2017, 05:59:33 am »

And a simple windows program for combining all your scans into one

Thank you for sharing this Pete.

This will keep me from using the windows command line to join multiple RF Explorer plot files together.

Cheers,

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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2017, 04:50:19 pm »

Thank you for sharing this Pete.

This will keep me from using the windows command line to join multiple RF Explorer plot files together.

Cheers,

d

Nice program - saves time
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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2017, 04:54:47 am »

Hi,

I am struggling to get a TRACE-file from an AIM-TTi PSA into Sennheiser WSM 4.3.1. This thread discusses kind of the same problem so I didnt start a new one, hope thats alright.

I followed the steps in http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,156695.msg1438069.html#msg1438069 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sivL8lQQKws&feature=youtu.be (Thanks James and Pete!), made me a script and tried to import in WSM: the Import in WSM is sucessfully done, the view of the spectrum zooms to my defined min./max. frequencies but nothing is displayed, whole graph is empty.

First I thought maybe the AIM-TTi PSA TRACE-file is not readable for WSM because when playing around with the PSA I forget to setup the steps a lot smaller (in this TRACE step=1111 kHz), so I took the RF-Explorer-File from http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,156695.msg1438069.html#msg1438069 just for testing. Same Problem here: Import successfully done but nothing is displayed.
When I import older scans (where RFunit=db and all values in db instead of dBm) everything works fine.

Maybe somebody sees something thats wrong in my file?

Here the PSA-TRACE converted for WSM:

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Receiver;
Date/Time;
RFUnit;dBm
Owner;
ScanCity;test
ScanComment;
ScanCountry;test
ScanDescription;test
ScanInteriorExterior;
ScanLatitude;
ScanLongitude;
ScanName;testname
ScanPostalCode;test

Frequency Range [kHz];488889;691111;1111
Frequency;RF level (%);RF level
488889;;-83.4
490000;;-83.2
491111;;-83.2
492222;;-82.5
493333;;-83.1
494444;;-60.1
495555;;-59.0
496667;;-63.2
497778;;-63.0
498889;;-64.5
500000;;-60.8
501111;;-60.8
502222;;-60.9
503333;;-77.4
504444;;-83.0
505555;;-83.5
506667;;-83.7
507778;;-83.2
508889;;-83.4
510000;;-83.3
511111;;-83.3
512222;;-83.4
513333;;-83.2
514444;;-83.5
515555;;-82.7
516667;;-81.7
517778;;-83.1
518889;;-83.3
520000;;-83.2
521111;;-83.6
522222;;-83.3
523333;;-83.0
524444;;-83.3
525555;;-83.2
526667;;-83.2
527778;;-83.3
528889;;-83.0
530000;;-82.9
531111;;-82.6
532222;;-81.8
533333;;-83.4
534444;;-82.9
535555;;-83.3
536667;;-83.5
537778;;-82.9
538889;;-83.4
540000;;-82.1
541111;;-75.3
542222;;-81.8
543333;;-83.0
544444;;-81.6
545555;;-80.9
546667;;-82.9
547778;;-83.0
548889;;-82.9
550000;;-78.4
551111;;-80.0
552222;;-82.8
553333;;-82.9
554444;;-83.4
555555;;-83.2
556667;;-83.1
557778;;-83.1
558889;;-83.1
560000;;-83.1
561111;;-82.8
562222;;-75.1
563333;;-75.8
564444;;-82.8
565555;;-81.9
566667;;-82.9
567778;;-83.2
568889;;-83.4
570000;;-83.1
571111;;-83.2
572222;;-83.4
573333;;-82.4
574444;;-60.0
575555;;-60.9
576667;;-61.9
577778;;-60.1
578889;;-60.2
580000;;-60.5
581111;;-61.4
582222;;-65.3
583333;;-80.3
584444;;-83.0
585555;;-83.1
586667;;-83.0
587778;;-82.9
588889;;-82.9
590000;;-62.6
591111;;-61.3
592222;;-64.6
593333;;-63.8
594444;;-63.1
595555;;-62.5
596667;;-60.9
597778;;-58.9
598889;;-65.4
600000;;-83.1
601111;;-82.7
602222;;-83.3
603333;;-83.2
604444;;-83.0
605555;;-82.7
606667;;-83.2
607778;;-83.2
608889;;-83.2
610000;;-83.1
611111;;-83.0
612222;;-83.2
613333;;-82.9
614444;;-81.4
615555;;-81.5
616667;;-83.1
617778;;-83.0
618889;;-83.2
620000;;-83.1
621111;;-83.1
622222;;-82.6
623333;;-82.9
624444;;-81.0
625555;;-77.7
626667;;-83.1
627778;;-83.0
628889;;-83.4
630000;;-69.9
631111;;-64.5
632222;;-61.1
633333;;-58.8
634444;;-57.0
635555;;-57.5
636667;;-58.8
637778;;-58.7
638889;;-70.2
640000;;-81.1
641111;;-83.0
642222;;-82.6
643333;;-76.6
644444;;-77.5
645555;;-82.8
646667;;-83.2
647778;;-83.0
648889;;-83.2
650000;;-82.5
651111;;-83.1
652222;;-83.1
653333;;-81.0
654444;;-82.4
655555;;-82.7
656667;;-82.2
657778;;-79.0
658889;;-79.7
660000;;-82.2
661111;;-82.9
662222;;-82.8
663333;;-82.5
664444;;-82.2
665555;;-82.8
666667;;-82.7
667778;;-82.7
668889;;-83.0
670000;;-82.7
671111;;-83.1
672222;;-83.0
673333;;-82.9
674444;;-82.5
675555;;-82.9
676667;;-82.6
677778;;-82.8
678889;;-80.8
680000;;-81.7
681111;;-83.5
682222;;-82.9
683333;;-81.9
684444;;-82.7
685555;;-83.1
686667;;-83.2
687778;;-82.5
688889;;-82.2
690000;;-82.6
691111;;-83.2

https://picload.org/view/ddgocccw/fail1_wsm431.png.html

and the testfile from the rf-explorer-thread:

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Receiver;
Date/Time;
RFUnit;dBm
Owner;
ScanCity;test
ScanComment;
ScanCountry;test
ScanDescription;test
ScanInteriorExterior;
ScanLatitude;
ScanLongitude;
ScanName;test
ScanPostalCode;

Frequency Range [kHz];450000;450600;25
Frequency;RF level (%);RF level
450000;;-110.5
450025;;-114.0
450050;;-116.0
450075;;-116.0
450100;;-116.0
450125;;-116.0
450150;;-116.0
450175;;-116.0
450200;;-116.0
450225;;-116.0
450250;;-116.0
450275;;-116.0
450300;;-116.0
450325;;-116.0
450350;;-116.0
450375;;-115.0
450400;;-116.0
450425;;-116.0
450450;;-116.0
450475;;-116.0
450500;;-116.0
450525;;-116.0
450550;;-116.0
450575;;-115.5
450600;;-116.0

https://picload.org/view/ddgoccwr/fail2.png.html

Regards,
Ralf
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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2017, 05:16:39 am »

needs to look like this.

Divide your freqs by 1000
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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 05:46:11 am »

needs to look like this.

Divide your freqs by 1000

thank you for the fast reply. may I ask you for a section of a WSM-file in the UHF-Range from yours as an example?
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 10:38:27 pm »

thank you for the fast reply. may I ask you for a section of a WSM-file in the UHF-Range from yours as an example?

that is both wsm and IAS
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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2018, 05:03:06 pm »

Hey guys.  I'm trying to do the opposite here and import a .csv file exported from WSM into IAS. 

WSM has what appears to be a strange set of values. The frequency I can divide by 100, but the RF level is odd.  Any one have any ideas?

Thanks!
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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2018, 09:40:53 pm »

... the RF level is odd.  Any one have any ideas?

Thanks!
Maybe its like VU vs dBFS - your being shown the amount in dB that the signal is registering below the top of the scale?
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2018, 09:51:30 pm »

[...] the RF level is odd.  Any one have any ideas?

Looks like RF level percentages, although in the wrong column.

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Re: RF Explorer to WSM
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2018, 10:22:18 pm »

Ok, so I've made some progress with this.

Firstly - getting the frequencies with the decimal correct : I used this macro in excel.

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Sub doit()
Dim c As Range
For Each c In Range(ActiveCell, ActiveCell.End(xlDown))
    If Len(c) > 3 Then
        c.Value = Left(c, 3) & "." & Mid(c, 4)
    End If
Next
End Sub

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Secondly -  I had to use text to columns in excel to separate the two values

Now, for the RF level. As it says in the header of the exported WSM .csv file:

RFUnit;dB

So.. it's in dB as opposed to dBm and there doesn't seem to be an option within WSM to change units on the exported .csv file.  I'm able to import the sweep data into IAS now, but because it's in dB the scale is incorrect.    Next to get that that fixed, just need to find out what reference power they are using for the dB value.
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