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Author Topic: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?  (Read 4418 times)

Tim Hite

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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2019, 03:11:19 AM »

That's awesome Tim.

I have to light a disco ball and the little pinspot go lights just didn't seem like I would even get another use out of them. Seems like the Saber Spot Go will be useful in more situations. Definitely plenty of light output for accent lighting at events. Wedding cakes will never be the same now.
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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2019, 02:31:15 PM »

Thanks Tim.  I was hoping the Saber Spots were brighter, but they are what they are.  There are some LED ACL aircraft replacement lamps out there.  Some are very pricy!  I found a comparison video for incandescent, HID, and LED versions of the PAR 36's.  I don't have the link, but it was interesting.  I'll try to find it.  The LED and HID were very pricy compared the 28V PAR 36.

The non-certified aircraft lights are cheap enough:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008UBVC26/?coliid=I2PB1G77OUBIUN&colid=1ZA0LKMGHFMHQ&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

In the questions, the manufacturer states that they have a narrow beam version. Might be worth looking into.
https://amzn.to/2plk5qW


I'm interested in seeing the Saber Spots with some fog or haze.
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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2019, 02:41:37 PM »

That's awesome Tim.

I have to light a disco ball and the little pinspot go lights just didn't seem like I would even get another use out of them. Seems like the Saber Spot Go will be useful in more situations. Definitely plenty of light output for accent lighting at events. Wedding cakes will never be the same now.

They also come with some lens options for making a wash, but I don't know how well those work. I'm only interested in the beam. If I get time to mess with that stage this week I'll take some pics of the different lenses. Maybe with some haze.
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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2019, 06:16:31 PM »

Set them up with some haze. Just doing automatic epilepsy mode.

By themselves in the dark
https://i.imgur.com/6HWOEGY.mp4

With the wall wash
https://i.imgur.com/nwQfjqz.mp4

Wall wash and rear wash together.
https://i.imgur.com/RZLdACY.mp4

Full spaz mode. This is what is running during the hype-up bit while kids are entering. It's a youth church service.
https://i.imgur.com/nKZJKs2.mp4
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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2019, 06:22:51 PM »

Also, I guess my phone can't handle shooting in the dark with a bunch of haze in the air. The image stabilization was going wacky. I had the phone resting on the doghouse while shooting these, thinking my hands were shaking, but it wasn't me!
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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2019, 01:56:13 PM »

Set them up with some haze. Just doing automatic epilepsy mode.

By themselves in the dark
https://i.imgur.com/6HWOEGY.mp4

With the wall wash
https://i.imgur.com/nwQfjqz.mp4

Wall wash and rear wash together.
https://i.imgur.com/RZLdACY.mp4

Full spaz mode. This is what is running during the hype-up bit while kids are entering. It's a youth church service.
https://i.imgur.com/nKZJKs2.mp4
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Thanks for the videos, I was wondering if these Saber spots would stand up for use like this as stage highlights. Guess they will be OK. I just got my in and I'm underwhelmed with the jerky color fades on the auto shows.
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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2021, 07:10:39 PM »

I have yet to see a budget LED light recreate the true look and feel of the vintage ACL lights.  The color spectrum, the beam pattern, the intensity and the cooling time and temperature change of the lamp are all pieces that go into the effect.

Now, a close second place that I've used in small venues that is truly dirt cheap is 300 watt halogen work lights.

You can find them for about 10 bucks each. Remove the existing floor bracket and bend your own and it looks like something that belongs on a truss.

Yeah, they aren't LEDs, and draw more current, but you're likely only using them for a few seconds at a time, so that's not that huge of a concern, as long as you wire them up correctly.
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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2021, 11:29:09 PM »

I have Intimidator 260's and a pair of Intimidator 375's that I'm happy with.  Wasn't sure if you wanted anything like that.

Have a look at these, Inno Pocket Z4.  The zoom works fantastic and color and motion is real good too - responsive and quiet.  Real versatile little lights - flood, wash or spot.

https://www.adj.com/inno-pocket-z4

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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2021, 12:55:00 AM »

I haven't ordered or seen these but they are 40 watts, RGBW, and a manual zoom of 4 to 60 degrees, and fairly inexpensive if you can deal with ordering direct from PRC.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/LEAHUA-Wedding-40W-led-pinspot-light_1600076636378.html?spm=a2700.themePage.1022881076417.9.219c5d28V7DL43
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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2021, 04:49:48 PM »

Back from the dead I see.


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Thanks for the videos, I was wondering if these Saber spots would stand up for use like this as stage highlights. Guess they will be OK. I just got my in and I'm underwhelmed with the jerky color fades on the auto shows.

I don't notice it on DMX. These would most likely be fine for edge-of-stage fixtures, but they aren't the cheapest thing out there and they don't wiggle.


I have yet to see a budget LED light recreate the true look and feel of the vintage ACL lights.  The color spectrum, the beam pattern, the intensity and the cooling time and temperature change of the lamp are all pieces that go into the effect.

Now, a close second place that I've used in small venues that is truly dirt cheap is 300 watt halogen work lights.


These two things are not equal. The halogen work light has long been a staple "crowd blinder" on the club level for decades. But they do not throw beams, which was the point of an ACL. For my use these Saber Spots can kinda-sorta replicate a decent fat beam on a small stage setting. Bonus is that the change color.

I have Intimidator 260's and a pair of Intimidator 375's that I'm happy with.  Wasn't sure if you wanted anything like that.

Have a look at these, Inno Pocket Z4.

These were on my short list, but were a little too pricy for this project. I didn't need moving fixtures even though it would have been fun to have.


I haven't ordered or seen these but they are 40 watts, RGBW, and a manual zoom of 4 to 60 degrees, and fairly inexpensive if you can deal with ordering direct from PRC.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/LEAHUA-Wedding-40W-led-pinspot-light_1600076636378.html?spm=a2700.themePage.1022881076417.9.219c5d28V7DL43


I mean, give them a try, but I don't think you'll get the same effect out of these. I'm guessing that the light will come out of the lens, get narrower at a focal point, then spread again at some random angle. This is not collimated light like a true "beam" fixture. Plus the beam will probably not consistently mix the colors.

The Saber spots are completely different optically, which is part of why they are 100 bucks a piece.

That's not to say these pinspots wouldn't work fine for doing pinspot suff. I'm sure they will.
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Re: Is there a basic LED "ACL" bar or just single light?
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