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143th AES Convention in NYC
« on: February 07, 2017, 02:38:13 PM »

Last night was the first meeting of the convention planning committee for the 143th AES convention. If there is anyone on this list who has a topic suggestion they would like to be considered, please post it here. If there is anyone who would like to participate by being on a panel, or moderating a panel please post that here as well. Participating on a panel will get you a free pass for all 4 days of the technical sessions, which are normally about $500, and which cover about 30 sessions per day for 4 days. The technical sessions run Thursday through Sunday and the exhibits run Friday through Sunday.

Once again, Henry Cohen and I will be co-chairing the live sound track and we will be relying on participation from all the facets of live sound production.

The convention will run from October 18-22 and will be at the Javits CC. Those dates are also the dates for the NAB-NY convention which will be in the next exhibit hall over. Exhibit passes for either one will be accepted at the other.

The AES would like to have the basic structure of what we'll be offering put together in the next couple of months, so please give this some thought and let us know what you feel is important to cover in the live sound track.

Thanks

Mac Kerr
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Re: 147th AES Convention in NYC
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 08:50:02 PM »

Last night was the first meeting of the convention planning committee for the 147th AES convention. If there is anyone on this list who has a topic suggestion they would like to be considered, please post it here.

Hi Mac,

I would like to see someone who knows what they're doing do an RF scan of the place and talk through what they are seeing. Particularly, I'd like to see differing analyzers used and have someone talk about the differences they see in the readouts and/or data, if any.

The analyzers that are thousands of dollars are much less interesting to me than the cheaper ones like RF Explorer. I'd definitely like to see someone using that in a heavy way. No doubt the more expensive ones are worth the money, but for the amount of work I do in that area they will never make sense.

Thanks for asking!

There is another topic I'm interested in being a presenter for, but it's not in Live Sound. Coincidentally, earlier today I emailed the Historical Committee to ask about doing it in that track, as that would be the appropriate place for it.

Do you have any insight on how to get a subject considered for presentation beyond doing that?

Thanks,
Dan
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Re: 147th AES Convention in NYC
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 09:22:41 PM »

Do you have any insight on how to get a subject considered for presentation beyond doing that?

Thanks,
Dan

Yeah, post it here and Henry or I can tell the committee. We meet the first Monday of each month.

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2017, 05:49:43 AM »

Yeah, post it here and Henry or I can tell the committee. We meet the first Monday of each month.

Mac

OK, thanks.

For the last nearly 9 years I've been working on a history project examining CBS Records' 30th St Studio, which used to be near the corner of E. 30th St and 3rd Avenue in Manhattan. It was a church building built in the 1870's and the anti police corruption crusader Rev. Charles Parkhurst was one of the pastors of it (he has an interesting story, to say the least), and CBS bought it in 1948-ish and converted it into a studio, later making a huge number of incredible sounding records there: Kind of Blue, The Goldburg Variations, Take Five, lots of Broadway original and studio cast albums, and lots lots more. It was torn down in 1982 and replaced with a condo building.

One of its famous engineers, Frank Laico, moved near Seattle a little over 10 years ago afer being retired for nearly 30 years. He started coming to my AES Section's meetings and I got to know him and learned his story and soon produced a bunch of meetings with him, looking at pictures that I found of his career and the studio and listening to him talk about his work.

After he died a few years ago I kept getting into it and went through the photo archive of the #1 engineer there, Fred Plaut, whose photos were on lots of albums and in a couple books, and have been doing a thread on the Steve Hoffman forums trying to take advantage of the incredible knowledge of people there about musical and studio minutiae. Just like here, there are some remarkable people happy to share what they know and they know a lot.

It's at

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/history-of-cbs-records-30th-street-studio-nyc-many-pictures.388186/

and has been running about 2 years. We've found all kinds of cool stuff.

I also founded a loose group called the Friends of the 30th St Studio, and have been introduced to a bunch of really neat people who used to work there, as well as to people who are interested in the place. When I come to NY we have meetings where I show pictures and they talk about studio stuff.

Getting to the point: the AES convention event would be a panel discussion with 3 or 4 people who used to work there who would be interested in participating, and I'd show pictures of the studio through the years and what went on inside it and examine the conditions at CBS that made it possible to have such a wide range of the creme de la creme of social, political, artistic, and musical cultures come through there and produce work that not only holds up sonically today but is often quite superior to a lot of current product.

Completely separate topic: Frank got an Honorary Member award from the AES for what he did for us and for his incredible career. The last person before him to get that award, which is much more important than it sounds, was Sir George Martin, and the other recipients read as a who's who of audio history, both technical and artistic. Harry Olson and Harry Nyquist got it, as did Walt Disney and Harry McCune, not to mention Leonard Bernstein and Chet Atkins, and a ton more.

It's a pretty incredible list. The version on the AES website has nothing later than 1998 and is an alphabetical list of  all AES Honorees of any kind, which makes it hard to see who the Honorary Members are. And there's nothing saying what they did. When Frank got it in 2011 I went through that jumbled list and separated Honorary Members out, and then a few of us in our Section did some research to discover what they were honored for. I can post that if there's interest, but it's 13 pages and still not completely finished.

Sorry to be long winded; that's much more than I ever expected to talk about this on the LAB. I'll shut up now.
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Re: 147th AES Convention in NYC
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2017, 10:25:17 PM »

Last night was the first meeting of the convention planning committee for the 147th AES convention. If there is anyone on this list who has a topic suggestion they would like to be considered, please post it here. If there is anyone who would like to participate by being on a panel, or moderating a panel please post that here as well. Participating on a panel will get you a free pass for all 4 days of the technical sessions, which are normally about $500, and which cover about 30 sessions per day for 4 days. The technical sessions run Thursday through Sunday and the exhibits run Friday through Sunday.

Once again, Henry Cohen and I will be co-chairing the live sound track and we will be relying on participation from all the facets of live sound production.

The convention will run from October 18-22 and will be at the Javits CC. Those dates are also the dates for the NAB-NY convention which will be in the next exhibit hall over. Exhibit passes for either one will be accepted at the other.

The AES would like to have the basic structure of what we'll be offering put together in the next couple of months, so please give this some thought and let us know what you feel is important to cover in the live sound track.

Thanks

Mac Kerr
Hi Mac,
I have given a couple of presentations at the Live Sound Expo on RF matters (LA 2014, NYC 2015) and would be happy to participate wherever I can be useful.
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Re: 147th AES Convention in NYC
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2017, 07:38:04 AM »

One thing that I see/hear all the time is regarding how many people are confused on different types of limiters and how to set them, how they work, different limiters for different musical styles etc.

They don't understand average vs peak levels, have never seen music on a scope and so forth.

In years past limiters were more of a "nicety" than a requirement.

With modern amplifiers that can swing a lot of voltage, proper limiter setting is almost ESSENTIAL.  Yet most people either don't do it or understand how to do it.

I have spent a lot of time over the last couple of years trying to get a grasp on how various limiters operate.

It is not always as people think the "simple numbers" would suggest.

I don't know if this has been covered before, but it is something I feel that A LOT of people need.  It is one of the most asked questions that I receive.
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Re: 147th AES Convention in NYC
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2017, 10:25:22 AM »

OK, thanks.

For the last nearly 9 years I've been working on a history project examining CBS Records' 30th St Studio, which used to be near the corner of E. 30th St and 3rd Avenue in Manhattan. It was a church building built in the 1870's and the anti police corruption crusader Rev. Charles Parkhurst was one of the pastors of it (he has an interesting story, to say the least), and CBS bought it in 1948-ish and converted it into a studio, later making a huge number of incredible sounding records there: Kind of Blue, The Goldburg Variations, Take Five, lots of Broadway original and studio cast albums, and lots lots more. It was torn down in 1982 and replaced with a condo building.

One of its famous engineers, Frank Laico, moved near Seattle a little over 10 years ago afer being retired for nearly 30 years. He started coming to my AES Section's meetings and I got to know him and learned his story and soon produced a bunch of meetings with him, looking at pictures that I found of his career and the studio and listening to him talk about his work.

After he died a few years ago I kept getting into it and went through the photo archive of the #1 engineer there, Fred Plaut, whose photos were on lots of albums and in a couple books, and have been doing a thread on the Steve Hoffman forums trying to take advantage of the incredible knowledge of people there about musical and studio minutiae. Just like here, there are some remarkable people happy to share what they know and they know a lot.

It's at

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/history-of-cbs-records-30th-street-studio-nyc-many-pictures.388186/

and has been running about 2 years. We've found all kinds of cool stuff.

I also founded a loose group called the Friends of the 30th St Studio, and have been introduced to a bunch of really neat people who used to work there, as well as to people who are interested in the place. When I come to NY we have meetings where I show pictures and they talk about studio stuff.

Getting to the point: the AES convention event would be a panel discussion with 3 or 4 people who used to work there who would be interested in participating, and I'd show pictures of the studio through the years and what went on inside it and examine the conditions at CBS that made it possible to have such a wide range of the creme de la creme of social, political, artistic, and musical cultures come through there and produce work that not only holds up sonically today but is often quite superior to a lot of current product.

Completely separate topic: Frank got an Honorary Member award from the AES for what he did for us and for his incredible career. The last person before him to get that award, which is much more important than it sounds, was Sir George Martin, and the other recipients read as a who's who of audio history, both technical and artistic. Harry Olson and Harry Nyquist got it, as did Walt Disney and Harry McCune, not to mention Leonard Bernstein and Chet Atkins, and a ton more.

It's a pretty incredible list. The version on the AES website has nothing later than 1998 and is an alphabetical list of  all AES Honorees of any kind, which makes it hard to see who the Honorary Members are. And there's nothing saying what they did. When Frank got it in 2011 I went through that jumbled list and separated Honorary Members out, and then a few of us in our Section did some research to discover what they were honored for. I can post that if there's interest, but it's 13 pages and still not completely finished.

Sorry to be long winded; that's much more than I ever expected to talk about this on the LAB. I'll shut up now.
Cool... My dad was a recording engineer for RCA in NYC at the time of his death back in the 1950s. He took me into work with him one saturday morning but I was a young puke and don't remember much. I do recall a life size "nipper" in the reception area.

JR

PS: I recall the family getting a case of wine from Perry Como one Christmas.
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Re: 147th AES Convention in NYC
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2017, 03:11:23 PM »

Cool... My dad was a recording engineer for RCA in NYC at the time of his death back in the 1950s. He took me into work with him one saturday morning but I was a young puke and don't remember much. I do recall a life size "nipper" in the reception area.

JR

PS: I recall the family getting a case of wine from Perry Como one Christmas.

That's pretty neat, JR. Do you have any pictures of him at work? Did he work in Webster Hall? I have a bunch of pictures from there, but presumably with Columbia artists. Although, come to think of it, there are bunch on the Masterworks site of Broadway shows and such, since Sony now owns both Columbia and RCA archives. Did your Dad have anything to do with Broadway shows?
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2017, 06:41:14 PM »

That's pretty neat, JR. Do you have any pictures of him at work?
Sorry no pix of studio... Might be the studio A. He recorded guys like Perry Como, and Harry Belafonte, that I think were studio A guys. He did some classical stuff too so that might be at Webster Hall? As a kid I recall having a lacquer recording of Stokowski cursing out a symphony orchestra in Italian for flubbing a take. I lost track of that lacquer that might be a collectors item now.   
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Did he work in Webster Hall? I have a bunch of pictures from there, but presumably with Columbia artists. Although, come to think of it, there are bunch on the Masterworks site of Broadway shows and such, since Sony now owns both Columbia and RCA archives. Did your Dad have anything to do with Broadway shows?
I don't know. His pre-recorded old RCA open reel tape collection had classical and popular stuff like that.

I have several of his old engineering notebooks from when he worked for western electric. He later worked at Vitaphone, the joint venture between WE and Warner brothers to make early sound movies. He even did a brief stint as chief engineer for Muzak (seriously we had a muzak receiver in the living room growing up, didn't everybody?  ;D ).

His last gig was the RCA recording engineer and I vaguely recall being a pest the one day he brought me in. He had some techs working there that day melting wax on microscope slides so they could look at the grooves made by lathe cutters under the microscope. Already a wise-ass, I asked his techs why didn't they just measure the weight of the wax before melting it on the microscope slide instead of melting all the tiny pieces one at a time until the slide was full?  ::)

While working at WE he travelled over to England (by boat) in the 1930s to record the coronation of King George(?). 

I regret not knowing enough to ask him good questions before we lost him.  :(

JR
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2017, 07:34:12 PM »

Sorry no pix of studio... Might be the studio A. He recorded guys like Perry Como, and Harry Belafonte, that I think were studio A guys. He did some classical stuff too so that might be at Webster Hall? As a kid I recall having a lacquer recording of Stokowski cursing out a symphony orchestra in Italian for flubbing a take. I lost track of that lacquer that might be a collectors item now.   I don't know. His pre-recorded old RCA open reel tape collection had classical and popular stuff like that.

I have several of his old engineering notebooks from when he worked for western electric. He later worked at Vitaphone, the joint venture between WE and Warner brothers to make early sound movies. He even did a brief stint as chief engineer for Muzak (seriously we had a muzak receiver in the living room growing up, didn't everybody?  ;D ).

His last gig was the RCA recording engineer and I vaguely recall being a pest the one day he brought me in. He had some techs working there that day melting wax on microscope slides so they could look at the grooves made by lathe cutters under the microscope. Already a wise-ass, I asked his techs why didn't they just measure the weight of the wax before melting it on the microscope slide instead of melting all the tiny pieces one at a time until the slide was full?  ::)

While working at WE he travelled over to England (by boat) in the 1930s to record the coronation of King George(?). 

I regret not knowing enough to ask him good questions before we lost him.  :(

JR
It sounds like he was a great inspiration.

I am sure you and your career made him proud-even though he is not here to show it.
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