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[Helge A Bentsen]

I have a customer who has a number of Shure PSM1000 and Sennheiser EW500 G3 IEM units in these frequencies:
Sennheiser EW500 G3 - 566-608 MHz
Shure PSM 1000 - 554-626 MHz

He has tried coordinating them using WWB6 and WSM, but the results have been mixed.
It seems like the manufacturers programs does the best job on their own products.

Is there a reliable 3rd party software available that can coordinate both systems?
Or is there a way of making WWB6/WSM more reliable for coordinating both brands?

[Jordan Wolf]

So long as the model/band specs are input correctly for each device profile, the numbers should still crunch correctly. They may be different when run side-by-side, but they should still work for IMD, etc. avoidance.

Aside from WWB and SIFM, Professional Wireless' IAS is the industry standard.

For WWB, try duplicating a device profile and editing the frequency range to restrict the least agile system from directly stepping in the other system.

[Jens Palm Bacher]

I have a customer who has a number of Shure PSM1000 and Sennheiser EW500 G3 IEM units in these frequencies:
Sennheiser EW500 G3 - 566-608 MHz
Shure PSM 1000 - 554-626 MHz

He has tried coordinating them using WWB6 and WSM, but the results have been mixed.
It seems like the manufacturers programs does the best job on their own products.

Is there a reliable 3rd party software available that can coordinate both systems?
Or is there a way of making WWB6/WSM more reliable for coordinating both brands?

Is he using proper combiners (AC3200/Shure PA821) ?

[Helge A Bentsen]

Is he using proper combiners (AC3200/Shure PA821) ?

I don't know yet, I haven't recieved a complete equipment list.

[Helge A Bentsen]

I got a equipment list.

He's got a setup of wireless mics and IEMs, not just IEMs as he originally told me.

IEMs
2x 4 channel racks with PSM1000 P10T and combiners.
2x 2 channel racks with PSM1000 P10T without combiners
All in J8E (554.125 – 625.850 MHz)

Mics:
10x 4 ch racks with EM 500 G3-G-EU and antenna distros
All in G (566 - 608 MHz)

A typical job where he mixes WL and IEM consists of 8-10 channels of IEM and 4 channels of WL.
His biggest concern is that WWB and SIFM reports differently regarding channel with and separation.

I have no experience with SIFM but I have used WWB6 successfully in the past for combining Shure and AKG.
Could it be that he should only use one program for his wireless planning instead of trying to combine two different ones?

[Jordan Wolf]

Could it be that he should only use one program for his wireless planning instead of trying to combine two different ones?

I would say "yes".

A man with two watches never knows which one is correct...always use the same tape measure to mark your cuts...etc., etc.

I think it's good to test one against the other and compare, but differences do not automatically mean that one is spitting out more- or less-reliable data.

What is "good enough" is up to interpretation, but erring on the side of caution is my preference.

All that said, I think the best long-term solution would be to suggest investing in another band of either IEM or WX mic; out-of-band, out-of-mind (mostly, IMO).

[Helge A. Bentsen]

He's holding off on new purchases for a couple of years since we don't know yet what frequencies we end up with.




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[John Sulek]

I would say pick the program he is most at ease with and stick to that. Using two different coordination programs sort of defeats the purpose.
He can always edit the bandwidth and separation values if he feels they are more accurate in one program then the other.
If possible, allocate the available spectrum into two blocks. One for iem tx, one for mic rx and leave some space between the two.

[Ike Zimbel]

I would say pick the program he is most at ease with and stick to that. Using two different coordination programs sort of defeats the purpose.
He can always edit the bandwidth and separation values if he feels they are more accurate in one program then the other.
If possible, allocate the available spectrum into two blocks. One for iem tx, one for mic rx and leave some space between the two.

+1! If what your guy has been doing is using WSM to coordinate the Sennheiser mic systems and then using WWB6 to coordinate the Shure IEM systems separately, then that's not a coordination. As others have already said, he needs to pick one program and coordinate ALL the systems with it. Once that's done, what he CAN do is use WSM to monitor the Sennheisers and WWB6 to monitor the Shures, but if he needs to make any changes, he has to calculate them in whichever program he did the coordination in. "One ring to rule them all..."

[brian maddox]

+1! If what your guy has been doing is using WSM to coordinate the Sennheiser mic systems and then using WWB6 to coordinate the Shure IEM systems separately, then that's not a coordination. As others have already said, he needs to pick one program and coordinate ALL the systems with it. Once that's done, what he CAN do is use WSM to monitor the Sennheisers and WWB6 to monitor the Shures, but if he needs to make any changes, he has to calculate them in whichever program he did the coordination in. "One ring to rule them all..."

This.

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