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Tim McCulloch

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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2017, 12:20:32 am »

WOO HOO! Half mil pretty much. That's like everything my company has spent, to date, all at once. Sounds like the Unicorn of the Next Level. Hahaaa.

Better than the Eunuch Horn of the Next Level.  ;)

Will this bring a price drop on VTX V25/20 or will they just be the 'little bothers' of the VTX line?  Inquiring minds...
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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2017, 02:44:27 am »

At what frequency do they achieve stated output?

The V25(which I've used several times) had it's claimed output in the HF with 10dB crest factor pink noise.

A12 claims 146dB with 12dB crest factor pink noise.
Is JBL playing ye old SPL numbers game?

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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2017, 07:57:53 am »

WOO HOO! Half mil pretty much. That's like everything my company has spent, to date, all at once. Sounds like the Unicorn of the Next Level. Hahaaa.

I believe Tim McC has said in the past, "Your next step will cost what you have invested up to now"

Welcome to "The Big Show" !
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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2017, 09:28:57 am »

I believe Tim McC has said in the past, "Your next step will cost what you have invested up to now"

Welcome to "The Big Show" !
Chris.

I was directly referring to his blog post on that subject when I posted that comment. :)

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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2017, 09:31:19 am »

WOO HOO! Half mil pretty much. That's like everything my company has spent, to date, all at once. Sounds like the Unicorn of the Next Level. Hahaaa.

Most of the "big" players have been doing minimal purchase orders for years now. Once you get into this league half a mil is a drop in the bucket.
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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2017, 10:46:41 am »

I am finding it interesting that Clair with the Cohesion series and the A12 from JBL (and maybe the RCF HD50 series though maybe not quiet in the same league) are using 12" and not 15" LF drivers.  Drivers.  Are these really "arena" size rigs, and not "stadium" rigs, or has 12 become the new 15?  Thoughts?

Add to the list d&b J, L'Acoustics K2, Adamson E12 and a plethora of other "big boy" boxes that are pretty common these days using 12s.

With flyable subs also being more commonplace, it seems to be a more flexible option to have smaller mains and fly subs when you need the additional LF in the air.

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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #36 on: April 13, 2017, 03:07:54 am »

Whats the real advantage of a 15 inch driver if you cut both 15 and 12 inch at 90hz?
With the 12 inch you can put more boxes in a given array length.

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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #37 on: April 13, 2017, 07:32:17 am »

Whats the real advantage of a 15 inch driver if you cut both 15 and 12 inch at 90hz?
With the 12 inch you can put more boxes in a given array length.
But a 15" is bigger-so it "gives more bass" EVERYBODY knows that :)  :)   :)

So it MUST be better---------------------

Never mind the practical side of smaller drivers and being able to get things closer together for the wavelengths involved etc.  Bigger is better is all that some people know :(

OK-now back to the regular discussion
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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2017, 01:42:12 pm »

But a 15" is bigger-so it "gives more bass" EVERYBODY knows that :)  :)   :)

Ahemm... Actually, it gets louder.
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Re: JBL VTX A12
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2017, 03:39:11 pm »

Ahemm... Actually, it gets louder.
Louder can mean very different things.  At what freq? At what listening position etc.

The larger a loudspeaker gets, the more beamy it becomes at lower freq.

Of course it depends on what the crossover freq is.

If you simply want LOUD-then run a piece of metal through a table saw.

Often times there are things that are more important than simply loud.

Do you really need 15" drivers with all the 12" drivers used in a typical line array.

I would "assume" that you are "running out of gas" on the mids and highs first-not the lows (once you put them in a large proper line).  So having more low "loudness" does not really buy you anything.  Except ego points.



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