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Bob Joseph-Kearns

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Need help looking for the right moving head.
« on: January 18, 2017, 01:21:31 pm »

I don't know much about movers but i'd like to upgrade my lighting setup. Not looking to spend more than $300 per fixture. I see cheap ones on Ebay from China but i'm not too sure to trust them...I am looking for at least 6.I can answer questions.Any info will help. Thanks in advance
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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2017, 02:03:31 pm »

I don't know much about movers but i'd like to upgrade my lighting setup. Not looking to spend more than $300 per fixture. I see cheap ones on Ebay from China but i'm not too sure to trust them...I am looking for at least 6.I can answer questions.Any info will help. Thanks in advance

You could start with a pair of these. They get great reviews, have good auto-run programs and would set up quickly. This is a really good price but I'll bet you can get a dealer price from members on this forum:

http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Chauvet-Intimidator-Spot-Duo-Dual-Moving-Head-Spot-RGB-Color-LED-Light-Stand-CHV13-INTIMSPOTDUO-RS-PACK?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=GoogleBaseFeed&gclid=CKLr4eXChtACFYWJfgodX_oACA
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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2017, 03:13:39 pm »

Hi Bob,

What kind of venue are you trying to light and what's the purpose of your upgrade (client demand, personal preference, etc.)?  Unfortunately given your current budget, you'll be stuck with mostly the 10 or 12w LED models, which in my opinion will struggle to cut through any reasonable ambient stage light.  They're okay in a very dark room with plenty of fog/haze, though I think you'll find that more useful fixtures start in the 60-90w range and are priced accordingly.  Just as a frame of reference, my Maglite will outshine one of the 10w moving heads, and that's before you drop any colors into the mover... 

Does your upgrade have to be a mover, and what (if any) controller do you currently use?  For the same budget as 6 entry-level movers you can get a bunch of LED Pars, and paired with the right controller and tasteful programming will carry far more impact than a couple of cheap moving heads.  Just my thoughts though! 
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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2017, 03:30:07 pm »

What do you have in your current lighting rig?  Are you looking to replace some of your fixtures, or to add to your existing rig?  How long do you expect to have these movers as part of your rig?  (I.e., are these movers just a temporary step in your long range plan, or do you plan on making the movers the main focal point of your rig?)
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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 05:13:54 pm »

Hi Bob,

What kind of venue are you trying to light and what's the purpose of your upgrade (client demand, personal preference, etc.)?  Unfortunately given your current budget, you'll be stuck with mostly the 10 or 12w LED models, which in my opinion will struggle to cut through any reasonable ambient stage light.  They're okay in a very dark room with plenty of fog/haze, though I think you'll find that more useful fixtures start in the 60-90w range and are priced accordingly.  Just as a frame of reference, my Maglite will outshine one of the 10w moving heads, and that's before you drop any colors into the mover... 

Does your upgrade have to be a mover, and what (if any) controller do you currently use?  For the same budget as 6 entry-level movers you can get a bunch of LED Pars, and paired with the right controller and tasteful programming will carry far more impact than a couple of cheap moving heads.  Just my thoughts though!

I'm lighting a church used to host metal concerts. The upgrade doesn't have to be movers but the lights I have now are just plain boring. I have a 6 of these on a truss.

They're just on the upper stage behind the band shining down doing absolutely nothing.
I'd like to get the crowd into the show more cause our attendance numbers have been dropping. I have considered LED Pars but I have the same situation with the movers. I dont know anything about them.The controller i'm currently using im not sure the brand but its says Scene Setter-48. Thanks for your reply!
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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2017, 05:17:51 pm »

What do you have in your current lighting rig?  Are you looking to replace some of your fixtures, or to add to your existing rig?  How long do you expect to have these movers as part of your rig?  (I.e., are these movers just a temporary step in your long range plan, or do you plan on making the movers the main focal point of your rig?)

I am currently using Par cans like this

I am looking to completely replace these for movers/LED Parcans. I plan on making the movers/Led Pars the main focal point. Thanks for your reply!
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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2017, 05:43:14 pm »

With RGBA or RGBW LED non-moving fixtures you can wash all or part of the stage/performance area with a broad range of colors to create a mood. You could program multi-color chases as well.  You are no longer limited to one color per fixture. That in and of itself is a pretty big improvement over what you currently have.
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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 05:55:27 pm »

I'm lighting a church used to host metal concerts.

Metal concerts in a church???  To each their own!

So yes, assuming those are Par 46s I'd opt for something much more powerful in a moving head.  The little 10w moving heads are okay in a small dark bar, but they'd be next to useless in a venue such as what you're describing (assuming a roughly 500-1000 person capacity).  Thanks for the details, and I stand by what I said in my first post - go for your LED upgrade first.  That alone will work wonders for you and give you very reasonable results for well within your presumed $1800 budget.  Along the lines of moving heads...figure $800-1200 a piece when the time comes for something that will really carry weight.  Also just to throw it out there - moving heads are not maintenance-free lights.  The DJ grade ones are more or less disposable (i.e. throw away when it breaks), but the larger ones will need occasional service.  I just say this seeing as you mention you know little about these.  LED Pars on the other hand are essentially maintenance free.  While you might occasionally have to pop one open or change out a component, the amount of service and experience needed is quite minimal.  As an aside, I just got a box from Lightparts.com, which means my Friday morning will be spent swapping a couple of spent shutter motors in some larger movers.  While not an everyday thing, moving lights mean moving parts, and they will need attention from time to time. 

Either way, you're going to need a new controller too.  Read through some of the applicable threads on this forum for no shortage of advice, though the usual debate is hardware versus software.  Barring one or two exceptions such as the Elation ShowDesigner and ETC ColorSource options, you're not going to find a serious hardware console without dropping several thousand dollars on one.  Unless you plan to do that, software is the way to go, and most options allow you to add "wings" that give you the tactile feedback so many people need (myself included).  Assuming you have a laptop available, it's quite possible to get a MagicQ PC or M-PC rig up and running, plus a dozen or so decent LED Pars for under 2k.  Much better use of money in my opinion, though I'm sure other opinions will follow.  Hope this helps!
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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2017, 09:55:45 am »

Metal concerts in a church???  To each their own!

Plenty of Christian Metal bands... for instance: Stryper

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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2017, 10:49:00 am »

Plenty of Christian Metal bands... for instance: Stryper

Per the forum rules, your display name needs to be your real first and last name.
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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2017, 09:52:27 am »

Metal concerts in a church???  To each their own!

Plenty of Christian Metal bands... for instance: Stryper

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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2017, 02:56:10 am »

I don't know much about movers but i'd like to upgrade my lighting setup. Not looking to spend more than $300 per fixture. I see cheap ones on Ebay from China but i'm not too sure to trust them...I am looking for at least 6.I can answer questions.Any info will help. Thanks in advance

Hi Bob,

Looks like you have a budget of around $1800 or so, all-in (assuming 6 heads at $300ea). There have been some good suggestions here... what I might suggest is similar to what we did when we made the jump into the lighting world.

I wasn't sold on the idea of offering lighting as part of our services, so rather than buy a few dozen Hotbox 5 PARs and 4-6 movers, we did this:

- Enttec DMX USB Pro Mk2 controller ($215-ish)
- QLC+ software (free)
- 4 Monoprice lighting tri-pods ($30ea)
- 12 eBay LED 7x10 PAR lights ($40ea)
- 2 ADJ Stinger-II Moonflower effects ($200ea)
- 2 ADJ Megbar ($160ea)

That got us lighting, all-in for just a bit lower than your budget. It worked "well enough" for half-a-dozen shows or so. After those first few shows, we ordered an Antari F-350 Fazer ($300).

(note: all of these prices are near "street" pricing; there are folks on the board who can get you better pricing offline)

We got the hang of things and then added some more eBay LED PARs (another 12).

The above might be a lower cost, higher "wow" factor for you and should provide better coverage and more options for your stage area. With some creative placement and a little time spent programming some cool chases, I think you'll be surprised with the results.

We have started to replace our eBay LED PARs with Hotbox (and similar), so earlier today, we ordered a bunch of Blizzard Hotbox 5 RGBA lights for front wash and several of the Blizzard RGBW Blade movers. We only did this because I'd like to take advantage of the smoother, more precise dimming control that the Hotboxes offer over the eBay lights, and because the Hotboxes should better endure the tortures of being on the road every single weekend.

There were a bunch of guys on the board here that helped guide me through my initial purchases and also assisted with my questions around set-up/config/programming. I've run sound for nearly 30-years and am a huge fan of digital desks/mixing/workflow, but DMX gave me a bit of a challenge. Thanks to everyone on here, along with a few YouTube videos and a lot of time reading manuals and experimenting, we've got a pretty decent, low-ish cost lighting rig.

Hope this helps a bit.

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Re: Need help looking for the right moving head.
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2017, 04:10:30 pm »

Hi Bob,

Looks like you have a budget of around $1800 or so, all-in (assuming 6 heads at $300ea). There have been some good suggestions here... what I might suggest is similar to what we did when we made the jump into the lighting world.

I wasn't sold on the idea of offering lighting as part of our services, so rather than buy a few dozen Hotbox 5 PARs and 4-6 movers, we did this:

- Enttec DMX USB Pro Mk2 controller ($215-ish)
- QLC+ software (free)
- 4 Monoprice lighting tri-pods ($30ea)
- 12 eBay LED 7x10 PAR lights ($40ea)
- 2 ADJ Stinger-II Moonflower effects ($200ea)
- 2 ADJ Megbar ($160ea)

That got us lighting, all-in for just a bit lower than your budget. It worked "well enough" for half-a-dozen shows or so. After those first few shows, we ordered an Antari F-350 Fazer ($300).

(note: all of these prices are near "street" pricing; there are folks on the board who can get you better pricing offline)

We got the hang of things and then added some more eBay LED PARs (another 12).

The above might be a lower cost, higher "wow" factor for you and should provide better coverage and more options for your stage area. With some creative placement and a little time spent programming some cool chases, I think you'll be surprised with the results.

We have started to replace our eBay LED PARs with Hotbox (and similar), so earlier today, we ordered a bunch of Blizzard Hotbox 5 RGBA lights for front wash and several of the Blizzard RGBW Blade movers. We only did this because I'd like to take advantage of the smoother, more precise dimming control that the Hotboxes offer over the eBay lights, and because the Hotboxes should better endure the tortures of being on the road every single weekend.

There were a bunch of guys on the board here that helped guide me through my initial purchases and also assisted with my questions around set-up/config/programming. I've run sound for nearly 30-years and am a huge fan of digital desks/mixing/workflow, but DMX gave me a bit of a challenge. Thanks to everyone on here, along with a few YouTube videos and a lot of time reading manuals and experimenting, we've got a pretty decent, low-ish cost lighting rig.

Hope this helps a bit.

This is very similar to my small, portable light system. The Chinese $40 pars are great. I also have (2) Hotbox 5's which are really nice, and the Megabar which provides some nice movement. I recently bought these cheap $60 movers, which have (7) 15 W RBGW. I don't have a lot of control over them, so I've programed them to run on either one of their self-programed modes or sound activation, via my dmx contoller. I'm pretty impressed for $60 or so.
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http://www.pssl.com/American-DJ-12-Ft-Heavy-Duty-Light-Stand-w-X-Bar


My front spots are speaker mounted Par 56 (bulbs). This light show goes up in minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCq3fOq4XcA
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