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Steve M Smith

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Re: Interval back ground music tricks?
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2016, 09:08:26 am »

I'm of the opinion that interval music should be quieter than the bands.  I prefer it if it's quiet enough for people to have a conversation, though it rarely is.

I can't stand gigs where there is a DJ between bands, playing the same genre of music and trying to be just as loud or louder than the bands.


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Re: Interval back ground music tricks?
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2016, 12:01:07 pm »

I'm of the opinion that interval music should be quieter than the bands.  I prefer it if it's quiet enough for people to have a conversation, though it rarely is.

I can't stand gigs where there is a DJ between bands, playing the same genre of music and trying to be just as loud or louder than the bands.


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Couldn't agree more. With the DJ, it's all about ego. They want to be deafening and little things like clipping, distortion, etc doesn't matter. I especially hate the ones that try to fit every sample and song in their compendium into an hour. People try to dance but the flow is constantly altered so the DJ can show how awesome he is and it is in fact counter productive.


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Re: Interval back ground music tricks?
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2016, 09:43:34 am »

Between band sets – when you put back ground music through the PA, do you alter the EQ so its sounds rubbish! Ie take out the highs or lows. So then when the live sound comes back on it will sound very bright and real?

I do notice that often at venues the back ground music is more akin to an lorry engine idling with no real discernible vocals etc.

What volume do you play the background / interval music at.

Any advice much appreciated, thank you.

When I do metal/hardcore/punk the crowd wants/likes to hear similar genre music. I can see the response when I throw on a really popular or even an obscure track from a known band. I'll also have some of the newest material from bands the people know. All this sets the mood and makes the entire event like a party in the minds of the paying audience. They want an experience as well as a show. Some songs are over-played and worn out and I delete them from the list. A lot of times the bands react to the music-kind of like a pre-game psych-up. It also seems to make the "old sound guy" seem like he knows the music genres and will be able to mix the live show properly (I do). I can also discuss (briefly) music with bands and audience if they ask my opinion on a tune or band. It is part of the marketing. I don't play the tracks poorly or too loud though.

On occasion I throw in something opposite-like a heavy dubstep track that completely changes the atmosphere and gives the ears a break. Wordless electronica can work too. I never play a pop track at one of these shows.
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Re: Interval back ground music tricks?
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2016, 10:33:18 am »

I'm of the opinion that interval music should be quieter than the bands.  I prefer it if it's quiet enough for people to have a conversation, though it rarely is.

I can't stand gigs where there is a DJ between bands, playing the same genre of music and trying to be just as loud or louder than the bands.


Steve.
THIS is a major complaint I have with DJs!
They seem to have to be on stun all the time and it's tough for a live band to compete with highly  produced music.
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Re: Interval back ground music tricks?
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2016, 09:53:29 am »

Between band sets – when you put back ground music through the PA, do you alter the EQ so its sounds rubbish! Ie take out the highs or lows. So then when the live sound comes back on it will sound very bright and real?


If you have it any appreciable amount quieter than the main program material (ie band) then the equal loudness effect will accomplish that to an extent anyway.
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Re: Interval back ground music tricks?
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2017, 03:34:10 pm »

Between band sets – when you put back ground music through the PA, do you alter the EQ so its sounds rubbish! Ie take out the highs or lows. So then when the live sound comes back on it will sound very bright and real?

I do notice that often at venues the back ground music is more akin to an lorry engine idling with no real discernible vocals etc.

What volume do you play the background / interval music at.

Currently – Rock trio play at ~ 102 db to 105 db front of house. To pub/bar space.
(Sometimes a vocal guitar duo at 96db)

Through Db 503 from Yamaha analogue deck. Ipod for music – usually some Spotify Indie playlist.
The FOH goes through a channel strip so I can mess about with it a bit if necessary.

Any advice much appreciated, thank you.

For the cover band I mix we have pre-show music that is upbeat and in our 80's genre (and titles we're not going to play) and play at a level that folks can still talk comfortably.  Our break music is instrumental 80's TV show music and always a big hit.

For the large multi-location house of worship I mix, we have standardized pre music that is a continuous mix/re-mix of upbeat instrumental only music.

In both cases I do a bit of a low and high pass to slightly restrict the dynamic range, you would not probably notice but it unless brought to your attention, takes just a bit off, keeps it lower in the subs, etc.
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Re: Interval back ground music tricks?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2017, 11:15:14 am »

Between band sets – when you put back ground music through the PA, do you alter the EQ so its sounds rubbish! Ie take out the highs or lows. So then when the live sound comes back on it will sound very bright and real?

I do notice that often at venues the back ground music is more akin to an lorry engine idling with no real discernible vocals etc.

What volume do you play the background / interval music at.

Currently – Rock trio play at ~ 102 db to 105 db front of house. To pub/bar space.
(Sometimes a vocal guitar duo at 96db)

Through Db 503 from Yamaha analogue deck. Ipod for music – usually some Spotify Indie playlist.
The FOH goes through a channel strip so I can mess about with it a bit if necessary.

Any advice much appreciated, thank you.

I do not do any eq to the in between music, except maybe low shelf when there is too much subs. I keep volume pretty low, what I want to achieve is just to tell people that something is happening and give some rest to their ears. And to mine's as well.

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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2017, 12:13:53 pm »

I do not do any eq

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Re: Interval back ground music tricks?
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2017, 10:49:34 am »

Same on the roll off.  People need a break.  I usually add a fairly hard compressor on the channel so if I am across the room and a track comes on thats hot its squashed until I can get to it (or not).  Though I've Pandora to have really consistent levels vs. the random iPod shuffle.  That paid subscription is worth every bit for ad free goto house music - at least in my world.

Try out Slacker for streaming. Their House station has a greater variety and Slacker has always had a much larger music library across all Genres than Pandora. Their stations are curated very well by real DJs. $4.99 plan streams at 320k, plus offline is available to download.
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Re: Interval back ground music tricks?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2017, 11:14:38 am »

Try out Slacker for streaming. Their House station has a greater variety and Slacker has always had a much larger music library across all Genres than Pandora. Their stations are curated very well by real DJs. $4.99 plan streams at 320k, plus offline is available to download.
Not to open the "can of worms" that is music licensing, but always make sure the service(s) that you select allow you to use their service in a commercial environment. Slacker's TOS is pretty clear that they allow use of their service for "personal non-commercial purposes only;" have you cleared your use of the service in the course of your business with them?

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