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Keith Broughton

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Ubiquity Bullet update
« on: October 08, 2016, 07:32:10 am »

Review....setting up the Ubiquity Bullet M5 to allow remote control of Yamaha consoles via the iPad app.

I spent a lot of time trying to get this device to work in the "access point-bridge" mode that was recommended by others.
Used the same config as indicated by others with working solutions.
No success. None. Nada.Zip. :(
The iPad app could not get passed the "no WiFi available" warning in the control software even though the iPad and M5 showed a wireless connection. ???
Another tech, with some network experience suggested using the "router" mode.
So after some fussing about, this is the setup that finally worked.

- the iPad receives ip  via DHCP in the 192.168.0.30-90 range
- the console is addressed static in the 192.168.10.xxx range.

While I am happy it works, I really don't understand why and also can't figure out why it would not work based on other successful setups.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2016, 07:52:48 am by Keith Broughton »
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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2016, 09:06:19 am »

I have a Picostation and a Nanostation M5. I had a hell of a time getting the Picostation to do anything other than the factory-reset style setup. The Nanostation M5 has worked wonderfully. It has given me no troubles whatsoever.

There seems to be some weirdness with their web-based control software from piece to piece.

FWIW, I was basically using them in the same situation. As a network extender for FOH use. I had a router that did DHCP and connected to all of my gear already in place. I just needed something to provide coverage for FOH use. The Picostation was my first try. It was 2.4 ghz. Never could get it working as an extender or a bridge. I then bought the Nanostation as a 5Ghz upgrade and I didn't have any troubles setting it up. It's been in use for about 2 years now with no issues.

I use the Picostation for an XR18 in a rack now. I just left it in its factory setup. It's fine for that.
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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2016, 12:02:13 pm »

The Nanostation M5 has worked wonderfully. It has given me no troubles whatsoever.

How directional do you find the Nanostation?
Like if you're behind it is it a total blackout or just reduced range?

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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2016, 12:41:49 am »

How directional do you find the Nanostation?
Like if you're behind it is it a total blackout or just reduced range?

Jason

Here is the polar plot.  The cross polarization loss is listed as -28db, that is very significant.  You will never get the antenna and the receiver 180 degrees out to reach the maximum loss but it is still enough that you could move quickly through nulls and experience high error rates.

Also when looking at the plot it is important to realize the pattern is orthogonal to the plane further exacerbating lobing.


You need to work inside the major lobe and it's still not going to be as good as a dipole.  While you do get additional gain that usually is not relevant as the talk in from the endpoints doesn't have equal gain.

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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2016, 06:12:54 am »

Here is the polar plot.  The cross polarization loss is listed as -28db, that is very significant.  You will never get the antenna and the receiver 180 degrees out to reach the maximum loss but it is still enough that you could move quickly through nulls and experience high error rates.

Also when looking at the plot it is important to realize the pattern is orthogonal to the plane further exacerbating lobing.


You need to work inside the major lobe and it's still not going to be as good as a dipole.  While you do get additional gain that usually is not relevant as the talk in from the endpoints doesn't have equal gain.
When I contacted the supplier about the Bullet, the Nano Station was suggested but when I looked up the antenna plot, it seemed that it would not suit my needs.
Looks like this is designed as a ceiling mount solution.
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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2016, 07:23:41 pm »

How directional do you find the Nanostation?
Like if you're behind it is it a total blackout or just reduced range?

Jason


Behind my Nanostation is the stage the band is on. It always works but I'm close to it (under 100 feet). It typically works very well off to the sides too. I very rarely lose connection even when a few 100 feet away. In front of it I feel like I can walk for miles and still have full signal. It just goes and goes and goes.....
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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2016, 11:52:18 am »

I'm interested in learning a bit more about this Ubiquity stuff.
I'm mostly using QU mixers but occasionally run into an M7 or LS9 or X32. I was using a Linksys 5g router and suffered several dropouts per show over the last few years. Bought an AE last year and that worked much better, but still get some dropouts and have a range of maybe 200' at best. Did the usual things folks suggest: use 5g, hide SSID, line of sight etc.
I do work with a couple of groups that use iphones to control their IEM, and I often use Luminair to control lighting on appropriate shows, so I still need a way to incorporate those scenarios.
If you were starting fresh what would specific units would you use for a mostly reliable, decent distance (300'+ would be great).
I'm currently using the AE with a lan switch for Luminair use with OK results, but limited distance as mentioned.
Cheers. BJ
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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2017, 08:27:32 pm »

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While I am happy it works, I really don't understand why and also can't figure out why it would not work based on other successful setups.
Soooooo...It failed to work again so I have relegated it to the perfect place.
When I spend more time fixing the tool than using it, this is where it belongs.
Made a great sound going in too!

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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2017, 01:15:29 am »

Soooooo...I failed to work again so I have relegated it to the perfect place.
When I spend more time fixing the tool than using it, this is where it belongs.
Made a great sound going in too!

Yeah loved the form factor, the brand has other great products.  The one is still sitting on the floor next to my couch.  Never got it to work right.

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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2017, 08:05:10 am »

Yeah loved the form factor, the brand has other great products.  The one is still sitting on the floor next to my couch.  Never got it to work right.
Annoys me that I spend real money for a real product and no love.
My Apple Airport Express went in the same bin.
Use a cheap "router" from Bestbuy and it works ever time!
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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2017, 04:32:20 pm »

Annoys me that I spend real money for a real product and no love.
My Apple Airport Express went in the same bin.
Use a cheap "router" from Bestbuy and it works ever time!

Don't empty your bin quite yet, might still be rescuable!  :P

I got one almost a year ago now, I'd seen the bigger ones used by some of the companies I freelance for but I loved the form factor of the Bulletand the fact it clips really well into large mic holder (same size as a wireless handheld). Fairly compact omni antenna to go with it, looks like a little lightsaber when it's attached lol, and its perfect for my gig peli and means I always have it handy if I'm freelancing or working an unusual gig and they don't have their own wifi provision set up.

It took a night to work out what some of the settings were as while I'm pretty good with computers in general I'm not a massively detailed/expediences network guy. However after a bit of faffing got it to work OK.

The range was a bit hit or miss, some gigs would be great and some a bit iffy, but inspired by the first post of another (I assume your) thread actually I revisited a little while ago and tweaked a bit more and it's been much better the last few gigs.


Having just grabbed it and hooked it up to remind myself what settings I have:

On the wireless page I have mine set to access point and have the bridge box directly below that ticked. Its set to UK as thats where I am, and is on B/G/N mixed. Initially I didn't change the channel width, but after reading the earlier posts on this thread I changed that to 20MHz and the connection has been much more stable.  Frequency is different as mine is the 2.4 gig version not the 5.

Other than setting the password at the bottom don't think I touched much else on that page.

On the network page I am in bridge mode at the top of the page, not router mode. I assume the reason I only have a single set of network addresses, and not WAN and LAN like you, is because of this.

I haven't bothered with DHCP, I've just used static addresses as there is only ever three things I connect to it, the mixing desk via the wired connection and an ipad and a lappy via wireless, so it's no big deal just to assign their addresses manually.

My bullet it set to 192.168.1.20 and I manually choose addresses for the rest.

The desk just stays as is with whatever address I have that at (can't remember from the house here).

The iPad is really handy because is seems to not have a global setting for this, it remembers it per router. So when it connects to the bullet it remembers it's a static address and stays assigned, but when I connect to my home wifi or venue wifi, or tether to my phone, to get internet, it remembers these are DHCP and gets assigned an address from the router.

My (PC) gig lappy doesn't remember, but it's only a two second job to call up the settings to change it, making it static to connect to the bullet, or back to DHCP when it connects to a normal router to again go on the net.

The good thing about this is once all three are connected to the bullet, they can all see each other through that shared connection.

The iPad can see the desk and control it, which is the main and most important thing, but the iPad can also see the lappy. As I walk about the venue for a listen during set up, as well as changing EQ etc on the desk I can remotely control the music player I use on the PC (J River) and change tracks, pause etc. I can wander about freely and listen, jump through songs etc, without having to run back to the lappy and manually change each time I wan't a new track.  (I have also done something similar in the past with airplay and tracks on the iPad playing into an airport express, which was the router I had at the time, but this is much better quality as the lappy has full quality FLAC or wave tracks, and runs AES straight into the desk.)


Hope I've maybe caught you and you can give it one last try, and that it helps you get your set up going, it really is a super handy little router once you've got it working.

Kev
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Re: Ubiquity Bullet update
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2017, 08:17:28 am »

Don't empty your bin quite yet, might still be rescuable!  :P


Already gone and good riddance.
Not willing to spend another second on dicking around with this stuff.
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