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Weogo Reed

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heavy duty microphone cable
« on: October 07, 2016, 04:17:10 pm »

Hi Folks,

What microphone cables have you found that stands up to being stepped on and rolled over  - on a concrete stage?
Yellow Jackets aren't an option.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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Re: heavy duty microphone cable
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2016, 04:18:58 pm »

Hi Folks,

What microphone cables have you found that stands up to being stepped on and rolled over  - on a concrete stage?
Yellow Jackets aren't an option.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
We use Rapco/Horizon Road Hawg cables.  Never had a problem.

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Re: heavy duty microphone cable
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2016, 04:26:14 pm »

Sturdier than Belden 8412?

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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2016, 04:30:47 pm »

Sturdier than Belden 8412?

This.  Don't forget the genuine Cannon XLR3-11C female connector...
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2016, 04:32:25 pm »

Hi Riley,

Yep, 8412 is kinda the standard.
Just checking if there is anything else I ought to be looking at.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo


Sturdier than Belden 8412?
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2016, 05:11:31 pm »

Belden used to make something heavier but I think it went out out production years ago.  It was more like coiling 12/3 though.  Not something I'd want to carry a case full of.

Hi Riley,

Yep, 8412 is kinda the standard.
Just checking if there is anything else I ought to be looking at.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2016, 05:53:36 pm »

Sturdier than Belden 8412?
Yeah  8412 is harder to deal with (shield) but will last forever, handle easier etc.

It also resists breakage because the conductors are larger than most other mic cables.

It costs more-but for a reason.  Good stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2016, 06:08:58 pm »

Had good luck with Clark FieldFlex also http://www.clarkwire.com/cableFF220.htm
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2016, 06:15:35 pm »

Belden 8412, no question.  It's made out of rubber for the outside jacket AND the inside insulators, with cloth strain relief and a full braided shield.  Pretty much the most durable standard mic cable you're ever going to come across.

I have Belden 8412 cables that are older than I am.  After about 50 years, the rubber does start getting a little stiff, especially at the ends of the cables. I had to cut about a foot off of those 50 year old cables to get to good stuff, and they are back in business.  I can live with a 50 year lifespan on a cable that gets used every single week.
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Re: heavy duty microphone cable
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2016, 08:07:16 pm »

Hi Folks,

What microphone cables have you found that stands up to being stepped on and rolled over  - on a concrete stage?
Yellow Jackets aren't an option.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo

As well as Belden 8412, I have had an excellent run with Canare Star Quad Microphone Cable (L-4E6S / L-4E5C) http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=53
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2016, 03:55:26 am »

Yeah  8412 is harder to deal with (shield) but will last forever, handle easier etc.

It also resists breakage because the conductors are larger than most other mic cables.

It costs more-but for a reason.  Good stuff.
I believe I'm recalling Belden having a brown, Hypalon, jacketed version of essentially the same cable identified, from memory, as 8402.  It handled and laid pretty much the same as 8412 but was advertised for rough service applications.  For a while, I was doing my share of X-Y stereo recording and used 8412 and 8402 for their dark colors and ease of keeping track of stereo left and right.
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2016, 08:56:05 am »

I believe I'm recalling Belden having a brown, Hypalon, jacketed version of essentially the same cable identified, from memory, as 8402.  It handled and laid pretty much the same as 8412 but was advertised for rough service applications.  For a while, I was doing my share of X-Y stereo recording and used 8412 and 8402 for their dark colors and ease of keeping track of stereo left and right.
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This.   There is a sound guy in town who uses this.   All his cables are brown, old, and work perfectly....

Too bad Belsen doesn't make it anymore. 


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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2016, 10:25:26 am »

Quite aside from the continued viability of the mic cable it sounds like there is a big trip/pull hazard onboard.

An unyielding mic cable with locking XLRs could bring down associated gear and cause more harm/injury.

Time for a big rethink?

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Re: heavy duty microphone cable
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2016, 05:03:09 pm »

Quite aside from the continued viability of the mic cable it sounds like there is a big trip/pull hazard onboard.

An unyielding mic cable with locking XLRs could bring down associated gear and cause more harm/injury.

Time for a big rethink?

So you're saying that the cable should have non locking connectors so if someone trips on a cable, it pulls out instead?

Yeah, no. I'd rather my connections stay in place and make sure I've routed cables in a safe way.
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Re: heavy duty microphone cable
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2016, 05:27:38 pm »

As well as Belden 8412, I have had an excellent run with Canare Star Quad Microphone Cable (L-4E6S / L-4E5C) http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=53
The Canare is great cable, but maybe not for rough service. I have seen one of these cables short all three conductors together as a result of being rolled over by a caster and crushed. YMMV
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Re: heavy duty microphone cabl
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2016, 05:36:18 pm »

Rubber mats are your friend


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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2016, 10:44:11 pm »

Hi Folks,

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions.

Safety is a top consideration, definitely want to minimize trip hazards.
Some 18" wide carpet pieces will be used in a couple areas.

Some numbers for comparisons:

Belden 8412
20ga conductors & ??ga drain,  44#/1000',  85% braid coverage,  .26" diameter

Belden 8402, brown
20ga & ??drain,  52#,  85%,  .263" 

Canare L4E6S
21ga(effective),  37#,  95%,  .236"

Clark FF220
20ga & 24ga drain,  47#,  95%,  .28"

Gepco M1042
20ga & 22ga drain,  40#,  95%,  .255"

Rapco RoadHog-Pro-MK
20ga &??drain,  ??#,  85%,  .295"

Anybody know anything about this company? :
TMB ProCable,    made in USA
20ga & ??drain,  50#,  85%,  .260"

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2016, 11:02:54 pm »


Anybody know anything about this company? :
TMB ProCable,    made in USA
20ga & ??drain,  50#,  85%,  .260"

The TMB ProCable is good cable.  To me it always feels like a slightly more flexible 8412, but I've never compared them side by side. 
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2016, 07:32:23 am »

Link has a double shield variant of their regular mic cable, it's pretty solid.
I belive it's called 02N6S2.


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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2016, 04:32:32 pm »

So you're saying that the cable should have non locking connectors so if someone trips on a cable, it pulls out instead?

Yeah, no. I'd rather my connections stay in place and make sure I've routed cables in a safe way.

I would never suggest non-locking connectors,  but what kind of traffic are we talking about: a few backline cases or a forklift? General public or production pros? What about overhead routing?
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2016, 09:21:18 pm »

Brian, thanks for the TMB plus.

Helge, I'm going to stick with braided shield for this one, rather than double-served.

Jim, this is a series on an outdoor concrete and stone stage.
No place for overhead cabling.
There will be a mix of talking heads and bands,  set, strike, people walking and amps rolling over some cabling.
Some sections of the stage will be served by drop-snakes, others will just be mic cables.

Thanks and good health,  Weogo
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