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Author Topic: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218  (Read 13141 times)

John L Nobile

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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2016, 01:31:07 pm »

Well, it felt like 350....

It does feel like 350. Danley should check their scales :)

I'd love to hear what 4 subs to one top sounds like. I have 1 sub for one top. 2 subs would be perfect for me but it's working great so I can't justify the cost.

My subs just move from stage to storage when the room is used for meetings . But if I was travelling I'd go with TH118's. No question.
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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2016, 01:47:35 pm »

How much did you have to spend on those Danley tops?

Am I wasting my time throwing down $3900 on a pair of RCF 4Pro 6001-A to stack on the TH118s?

It's not my rig.  The tops cost a lot.  A Danley dealer can tell you; be prepared for sticker shock.

I have not used those RCF boxes, but I'll guess it's a good match and also that they sound pretty good.  You'll likely want to get to 2x TH-118 per side.
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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2016, 02:01:28 pm »

I can only comment about the Danley products.

When you say 'spend a lot powering", that is often a misconception.

You don't have to use a large power amp-just because the cabinet is rated for it.  Because of the higher sensitivity, you will get more sound out of the cabinet as compared to a front loaded cabinet.

So for the same size amplifier the horn cabinets will be louder.

But also because they handle more power (voltage actually), they can get even louder.

So between the 2 TH118s and a single DBH218.  The drivers are the same-so the total power to do either setup is the same.

The TH118s are a lot easier to move around for 1 person and get up stairs.  The DBH218 is a bit harder to get up stairs and out of vans/pickups.

The output of 2 Th118s vs a single DBH218 is roughly equal.

The TH118s will have a little smoother low end, while the DBH218 will have a bit more punch on the top.

A single DBH218 costs a little less than a pair or TH118s.

The physical sizes are also a bit different and the DBH218 could take up more floor space.

For overall portability, the TH118 easily wins.

Hopefully that helps.

I have been using identical systems...one with a single DBH218...one with 2 TH118's.
The TH118 setup sounds much better IMO. Plus...if one goes down...you can still do the show.
DBH doesn't sound warm like the tapped horns do. I want to replace it ASAP with 4-6 TH118's.
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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2016, 03:47:33 pm »

Thanks everyone. Pursuing the TH118s...

Any advice on powering these knowing that certain venues may only offer 20A circuits?

I've heard that the Danley DNA amps come with Electronic Breaker Protection allowing the user to limit the draw per circumstance. Are there other amps you know of with this technology that would be sufficient for these subs? Cheaper the better for us....
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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2016, 04:00:22 pm »

Thanks everyone. Pursuing the TH118s...

Any advice on powering these knowing that certain venues may only offer 20A circuits?

I've heard that the Danley DNA amps come with Electronic Breaker Protection allowing the user to limit the draw per circumstance. Are there other amps you know of with this technology that would be sufficient for these subs? Cheaper the better for us....
Any professional large amp with a universal voltage input - Powersoft, Crown ITechHD 12K, etc.

If you plan to run 4 TH118s on a single amp (2Ω per channel load), you're going to need 208v/240v to get full output.  Better yet is one amp per pair of TH118 and 2 20A 208v/240v circuits.  With only 120v power available it will work but you will leave some output on the table.

One time in an extreme case I blew a 20A breaker on my ITechHD12K powering just a single pair of TH118 (4Ω load), but that's hard to do, and was a little hard on the Danleys (I've since gotten better limiter settings).  Logistically the TH118 is fabulous.  Small, lightweight, built-in dolly.
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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2016, 04:28:25 pm »

Any professional large amp with a universal voltage input - Powersoft, Crown ITechHD 12K, etc.

If you plan to run 4 TH118s on a single amp (2Ω per channel load), you're going to need 208v/240v to get full output.  Better yet is one amp per pair of TH118 and 2 20A 208v/240v circuits.  With only 120v power available it will work but you will leave some output on the table.

One time in an extreme case I blew a 20A breaker on my ITechHD12K powering just a single pair of TH118 (4Ω load), but that's hard to do, and was a little hard on the Danleys (I've since gotten better limiter settings).  Logistically the TH118 is fabulous.  Small, lightweight, built-in dolly.

It'll be a single pair in question for now.
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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2016, 04:46:06 pm »

It'll be a single pair in question for now.
Any amp on a normal 20A circuit would be fine for that load.
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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2016, 04:48:41 pm »

Yes, the Danley DNA 20K4 Pro is the right answer to your amplifier conundrum. If you get passive top loudspeakers, you can use two channels in the amp for them and the DSP to process them.

External Breaker Protection works really well. Tell it you have the amp plugged into a 20A breaker and it will keep the breaker from popping. Yes, this does limit the ultimate maximum output of the amplifier a bit, but it is not that obvious unless you are really pounding on the amp.

Likewise, the amplifier automatically switches between 120V and 240V modes of operation, so if you are clever you can run it on 240V when it is available, whilst falling back to 120V when you have to.

I'm the amp guy at Danley. I'd be glad to answer any questions you may have.
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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2016, 05:04:48 pm »

Yes, the Danley DNA 20K4 Pro is the right answer to your amplifier conundrum. If you get passive top loudspeakers, you can use two channels in the amp for them and the DSP to process them.

External Breaker Protection works really well. Tell it you have the amp plugged into a 20A breaker and it will keep the breaker from popping. Yes, this does limit the ultimate maximum output of the amplifier a bit, but it is not that obvious unless you are really pounding on the amp.

Likewise, the amplifier automatically switches between 120V and 240V modes of operation, so if you are clever you can run it on 240V when it is available, whilst falling back to 120V when you have to.

I'm the amp guy at Danley. I'd be glad to answer any questions you may have.
With due respect and not necessarily disagreeing with your suggestion, as the "amp guy at Danley", I'm not sure it's kosher to declare that your product is absolutely the right answer to the OP's situation. 

I can think of several reasons that other amps may be a better fit than the Danley in this case - integration with existing control systems, and power configuration being two.  If the OP will rarely have access to circuits greater than 20A, a high-power 4-channel amp isn't the right choice.
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Re: 2 x TH118 (vs) 4 x TC2800 (vs) 1 x DBH218
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2016, 05:15:16 pm »

With due respect and not necessarily disagreeing with your suggestion, as the "amp guy at Danley", I'm not sure it's kosher to declare that your product is absolutely the right answer to the OP's situation. 


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