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thirtha chengappa

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Re: db technologies line array offerings
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2016, 07:37:04 AM »

I think the delay on the T4s is 0.3ms when used with the T12's ... can't find where it says that at the moment :-\

Dear peter,
I read your post on this forum way back in January 2014 when you had mentioned the 0.3 ms delay. The DVA composer does not allow a T8 -T4 pairing, only a T12 - T4 pairing. However the user manual of the T8 states clearly that the T8 was designed to couple perfectly with the T4 and the T12. (page 12). I really wonder why the composer does not support the integration.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2016, 06:20:18 PM »

I used to own 16x T4, and while not technically discontinued, I imagine that's not far away. T4 was the 'first product' from DB as I understand it, at least the first that brought them attention from North America, and it took several years for it to catch on. For my business, it was the first real line array option at the right price point : if you're buying gear to do the job and not meet riders, it could sound quite good and let me use the phrases "three way" and  'line array'. Super easy to use. Prediction is basic but hasn't ever let us down.

We then upgraded to 12x T12 for larger events, and used T4 as front-fill. They will rig together but are not acoustically compatible. Sounds great and adds all the onboard DSP & monitoring you'd expect. Again, easy to use and a great value, never had a hard time making it sound quite good.

Sold out T4's after 3 years of use and bought 8xT8, which are physically the same as a T4, have added splay options, and internally more like a 'baby T12' - acoustical compatible and the same DSP, sound great together. These have become the jem for us, quite a bit more output over the T4 at the same size/weight, and very versatile, I just put in an order for 8 more.

Along with S20 and S30 subs, we've had nothing but success with them. We're provided for several  B-level touring acts and festivals, and aside from the (somewhat expected) concerns from visiting engineers before the date, once they hear them it's all good. Like any other speaker system, properly deploying the right amount of tools for the job always gets the job done. They have a reasonably 'neutral sound' for my tastes - they don't 'sound like JBL' or 'sound like EAW'.

I have no experience with K5 or Vio, but my guess is that K5 is the continuation of T4 for users that don't require on-board DSP beyond presets and want a similar price point.

Vio looks like a dual 10" 2-way to compete with the Similar offerings from other manufacturers, no network/DSP, and the 3x18" cardioid sub is intriguing, and I like the rigging on paper.  I'll guess it's priced just below the T8.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask, PM or email.

This is interesting and distressing.  Seems the T4 are gone.  I have been renting T4 from another provider and was all set to add some to my inventory.  Literally the last of the, according to Mike Pyle, are gone.

So, while he is checking with the factory on K5/T4 compatibility I did a search that led me hear.  Has anyone hear anything other than the fact the K4 and T4 can't be used together?

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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2016, 09:02:58 PM »

This is interesting and distressing.  Seems the T4 are gone.  I have been renting T4 from another provider and was all set to add some to my inventory.  Literally the last of the, according to Mike Pyle, are gone.

So, while he is checking with the factory on K5/T4 compatibility I did a search that led me hear.  Has anyone hear anything other than the fact the K4 and T4 can't be used together?

Firstly, to the best of my knowledge, what I was given to understand was that DB tech will still sell the T4 to existing customers. kindly write to DB tech directly or speak to a dealer who can get in touch with DB and then procure it from them. Your other option is to go in for the T12. one T12 = 3 T4. In fact I can stake my reputation and say that one T12 can actually compete with 4 T4 without breaking into a sweat. The T12 is a beast. It's a "one of a kind" product. 

Second, I did preview the k5 extensively, and i must say that they sound much cleaner and more linear than the T4. The amplifier is quiet, the external finish is excellent, and the amplifier module, I must say, personally, looks a 100 times better than the T4. unfortunately they are not compatible with the T series. There is a good reason for this. The K5 uses FIR filters at the crossover points, and also employs a duel rotatory DSP switch meant to deal with speaker coupling and distance adjustment. This is a new leap for DB. I am wondering if they will come out with a K12 next. The stand alone K5 rig, even with 16 a side will have limited use in large applications, just like the T4 has.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2016, 09:38:49 PM »

Firstly, to the best of my knowledge, what I was given to understand was that DB tech will still sell the T4 to existing customers. kindly write to DB tech directly or speak to a dealer who can get in touch with DB and then procure it from them. Your other option is to go in for the T12. one T12 = 3 T4. In fact I can stake my reputation and say that one T12 can actually compete with 4 T4 without breaking into a sweat. The T12 is a beast. It's a "one of a kind" product. 

Second, I did preview the k5 extensively, and i must say that they sound much cleaner and more linear than the T4. The amplifier is quiet, the external finish is excellent, and the amplifier module, I must say, personally, looks a 100 times better than the T4. unfortunately they are not compatible with the T series. There is a good reason for this. The K5 uses FIR filters at the crossover points, and also employs a duel rotatory DSP switch meant to deal with speaker coupling and distance adjustment. This is a new leap for DB. I am wondering if they will come out with a K12 next. The stand alone K5 rig, even with 16 a side will have limited use in large applications, just like the T4 has.

We don't do large applications.  Logistically the T12 just doesn't fit the mission.  I came to the T4 as a cross rental, didn't have much hope for it.  I was very surprised, it worked well as did the form factor.

I have rented the T4's more times than I wanted to I figured I would pick up some and only rent when I needed more.  Turns out the factory had a deal going on them however when we went to place the order today it was sold out.

So now I don't have the big rush.   It would so simplify things if they would have the processing emulate the simpler transfer function of the T4's

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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2016, 01:04:09 AM »

We don't do large applications.  Logistically the T12 just doesn't fit the mission.  I came to the T4 as a cross rental, didn't have much hope for it.  I was very surprised, it worked well as did the form factor.

I have rented the T4's more times than I wanted to I figured I would pick up some and only rent when I needed more.  Turns out the factory had a deal going on them however when we went to place the order today it was sold out.

So now I don't have the big rush.   It would so simplify things if they would have the processing emulate the simpler transfer function of the T4's

Well if that is the case, I strongly suggest that you start with a clean sheet and go for the K5. You could also give the T8 a shot, but since the price is on the higher side than the k5, you could, for an X amount of money, get more numbers of the K5. If you are comfortable with the T4, then there is no doubt you will love the K5.
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2016, 01:53:27 AM »

Well if that is the case, I strongly suggest that you start with a clean sheet and go for the K5. You could also give the T8 a shot, but since the price is on the higher side than the k5, you could, for an X amount of money, get more numbers of the K5. If you are comfortable with the T4, then there is no doubt you will love the K5.

Thanks, I appreciate the info.  Never thought I would have sub-compact line array speakers in my inventory.  So many better solutions.  Customers dictate inventory. 

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2016, 09:53:38 AM »

T8 has RDNET control and the K5 does not. K5 also has powercon true1 connectors which is nice. Hard to say where they are going with the K line, if they will make a bigger box or not, or if T8-12 will remain the high end line and K the more affordable line. It would be a little crowded with a T8 and T12 and a K5 and K9 or whatever.

I'm beginning research on a next rig and I've been looking at T8s. T4 output seems low.
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2016, 08:31:09 PM »

Is anyone on here using T8 within a reasonable distance of Washington, DC?
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2016, 10:13:14 PM »

What they have done with the K5 is cut out all the Jazz. The K5 does not have PFC, it uses a auto range PSU instead. Another important change is in the HF section. The HF on the K5 is ferrite instead of neodymium. RD net comes into play only when you have the numbers and you want total control of the array. I feel lesser the tech, better the durability, especially when you are using these modules on a daily basis.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2016, 08:51:45 PM »

Funny thing, I went to see one of my bands at a local casino Friday night. The club had db T4's flown, two per side with unknown subs beneath the stage. It was horrifyingly bad sound. At the front of the room it was just shrill and honk. At the back, mostly honk.

I'm thinking it was just a clueless BE (works for the casino - forget about even talking to them).

I just returned from a trip to S. Cali were I heard nothing but bad sound. After Friday night I was just tired of listening to any live music. Fortunately I had a gig in one of my clubs last night, and the band sounded incredible (50% them, 50% me) LOL!

The only time I've hear Line Array systems sound remotely good has been at large outdoor shows, with pro sound companies operating them. All of the smaller, local venues in my area with LA's don't sound good at all.
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