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[Robert Piascik]

Another thread currently running talks about a small system. I currently use XR-12 mixer with two Yamaha DSR112 but what if I wanted to go even smaller like Meyer UPM1-P. I've never used them but know the Meyer reputation for quality and I could utilize them for other purposes. Those of you familiar please comment on the comparison please. Of course the Meyers are way more expensive but cost is not the main issue for me. Size and quality are more important. If you have other suggestions let me know that as well.

Thanks in advance!

[Stephen Kirby]

They use these as balcony fills in a venue I play in and go to often.  I've also heard someone cranking one solo outdoors and the amount of full range sound that came out of it was stunning.  I had fantasies of putting a pair over subs and blowing people's minds.

That said, they are considerably more expensive and make less sound than the larger Yamahas.  They have a purpose as balcony and front fills and work fantastically at that.  If you were made of money they would probably be the best coffee shop system you could think of.  Not going to scare anyone as you set them up, but capable of more and better sound than just about anything else other people bring in.

To me, the DSR112 is a top rank SOSOS (speaker on stick over subs) and I use mine as such.  I think there are better options used alone on quieter gigs as an SOS given the bass response of the DSRs.  And for a small system my current favorite would be DXR10s (anyone want to trade some K10s for DXRs )  The Meyers would keep up with those but you will pay dearly for the smaller size.

[Debbie Dunkley]

  And for a small system my current favorite would be DXR10s (anyone want to trade some K10s for DXRs ) 

Not me !  I like my DXR10's more than my K10's also so I'd be looking to do the same as you Stephen...

[Luke Geis]

As much as I love the smaller Meyer speakers, I am not on board with their pricing...... Not a fan of most of their pricing honestly..... I have used a few of their systems and the only ones I really liked are the smaller UPM and UPA models. They sound great and get plenty loud, but...... and it's a big one, they are just too pricy for my particular market.

If you have money to burn, by all means go right on ahead and get the Meyer's, but if you would rather keep some money and make more in the end, you may consider the DSR model, or other comparable model. The question you have to ask is if there is a thousand dollar deficit in quality from the Yamaha ( or other comparable brand and model ) to that of the Meyer? I don't think there is, but that is my opinion. The DSR is popular for a good reason, but those small Meyers are awesome performers.

[Ryan McLeod]

I think Meyer makes many wonderful products - but today (more than ever) there are LOTS of very good SOS(OS) powered boxes on the market at some great price points.

A UPM-1P has it's place - but unless you have the client base that needs the brand name, there are lots of boxes that offer more better value in many applications.

If you're a full-ventured Meyer house, it would just make sense.

If you're a 'right tool at the right price' shop, there may be a better way to spend your client's money.

And I'll ditto the DXR10 - great little box in many applications.

[Robert Piascik]

Maybe I need to clarify:
I'm looking for something smaller (lighter) than DSR112 (47#). I'm not unhappy with the functionality of the DSR for SOS or SOSOS work, not unhappy using them as monitors. But in my 'coffee-shop' application it's way more than I need and I'm looking for the ultimate small system. Yes I've considered DXR10 (32#) and DBR10 (23#) (haven't heard either) and this is a system I use 100 times a year. What might some other suggestions be? I'm not very concerned about price, looking for smaller but still high quality. I can also utilize the Meyers (21#) as front fills (I only need that a handful of times a year) but could never use the DXR or DBR that way. I was looking at a pair of ADRAUDIO u103 as well. Any other ideas?

[Brandon Scopel]

. Any other ideas?

The Martin Audio dd6 is a neat little box, pretty flat, similar freq response and only weighs 13 lbs(passive only). I rented a set for some corporate work in place of 2 k10s and they were awesome. Not terribly expensive, probably could be had for less than 1k a box.

[Stephen Kirby]

I also have a DBR10 and it's a great little box for the price.  Darn near my K10s for a fraction of the cost.  But since you're talking Meyer kind of money, the DXR is noticeably stronger without getting that deep into the wallet.  If weight is everything, the DBR would be hard to beat.  I've heard good things about the sound of the small Turbos as well but not heard them in person or seen them used in anger.

[Mike Pyle]

Tannoy VXP12 is about 38 lbs, and somewhat more compact than the Yamaha. I personally think they sound great.

[Lee Buckalew]

The Martin Audio dd6 is a neat little box, pretty flat, similar freq response and only weighs 13 lbs(passive only). I rented a set for some corporate work in place of 2 k10s and they were awesome. Not terribly expensive, probably could be had for less than 1k a box.

I'll add to this, consider the new CDD-LIVE series from Martin.  CDD-LIVE 8 is smaller and lighter then the Yamaha you mentioned and has full built in, network accessible EQ, crossover, etc. through VU-Net.  Also built in Dante capability.

Lee

[Brian Bolly]

Maybe I need to clarify:
I'm looking for something smaller (lighter) than DSR112 (47#). I'm not unhappy with the functionality of the DSR for SOS or SOSOS work, not unhappy using them as monitors. But in my 'coffee-shop' application it's way more than I need and I'm looking for the ultimate small system. Yes I've considered DXR10 (32#) and DBR10 (23#) (haven't heard either) and this is a system I use 100 times a year. What might some other suggestions be? I'm not very concerned about price, looking for smaller but still high quality. I can also utilize the Meyers (21#) as front fills (I only need that a handful of times a year) but could never use the DXR or DBR that way. I was looking at a pair of ADRAUDIO u103 as well. Any other ideas?

You would also be well-served by looking at the UPJunior.  Greater output and smoother frequency response than the UPM, and still <30#.  Also it's a better comparison to the DXR since it's an actual compression driver instead of just a tweeter (UPM).

IMO, ABS boxes and real wood boxes are in different classes, period.  ABS resonates in ways that wood does not simply due to material density, regardless of how well the ABS is "reinforced".  Of course there's a weight tradeoff in the finished product, and every product has an application, but if sound quality is top on your list I wouldn't even consider an ABS product.

[John L Nobile]

I'd like to see if Danleys Go2 series would meet your needs but they don't seem to be ready for prime time yet.
I'm going to be needing small front fills soon and I hope they have something ready in the next few months.

[Luke Geis]

I really like my little EV ZX1's!!!! I am using them right now for a corporate gig I have and they always impress. They are 8" 2 way speakers and weigh in at about 13lbs. There is a powered version of them that of course weighs a little more, but can't be beat for the money. They get plenty loud too. 

[Cailen Waddell]

I'd like to see if Danleys Go2 series would meet your needs but they don't seem to be ready for prime time yet.
I'm going to be needing small front fills soon and I hope they have something ready in the next few months.

I believe one model is shipping and demo units exist. A dealer should be able to get you a preliminary spec sheet...

[Stephen Kirby]

I really like my little EV ZX1's!!!! I am using them right now for a corporate gig I have and they always impress. They are 8" 2 way speakers and weigh in at about 13lbs. There is a powered version of them that of course weighs a little more, but can't be beat for the money. They get plenty loud too.

I have a pair of Sx80s that I can't seem to part with.  I've used them for coffee shop gigs with a Gigrack, as front fills in a theatre, and as extra monitors on occasion.  Fortunately they don't take up much space.  If I found a deal on the powered ZX I'd trade them in.  Handy little buggers though, even if you have to bolt an adapter on to put them on sticks.  Not as strong as the DXR10s but they won't scare anyone and put out more sound than they think.

[Caleb Dueck]

If you're looking at Meyer but want lower cost, the RCF TT is where I'd look first. 

The CDD Live from Martin look interesting, haven't heard them yet.   The DD6 over sub is very impressive for the size, cost is great but the powered sub with powered top output is pretty pricey. 

[Al Poulin]

Maybe I need to clarify:
I'm looking for something smaller (lighter) than DSR112 (47#). I'm not unhappy with the functionality of the DSR for SOS or SOSOS work, not unhappy using them as monitors. But in my 'coffee-shop' application it's way more than I need and I'm looking for the ultimate small system. Yes I've considered DXR10 (32#) and DBR10 (23#) (haven't heard either) and this is a system I use 100 times a year. What might some other suggestions be? I'm not very concerned about price, looking for smaller but still high quality. I can also utilize the Meyers (21#) as front fills (I only need that a handful of times a year) but could never use the DXR or DBR that way. I was looking at a pair of ADRAUDIO u103 as well. Any other ideas?

Yorkville's NX10C is a very useful ultra compact active speaker that might work well for your application :

http://yorkville.com/loudspeakers/nx/product/nx10c/

Coaxial design sounds great up close and the fact that a speaker pole can go through it means you can place it on one of the stands holding up your mains. Very intersting little box. Got the chance to play with it last summer. Nice clarity in the mids and good top end too with a little EQ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvAmKCJqAPg&feature=youtu.be

Al

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