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[Raz Thomas]

Hey guys,

Not sure if anyone can help around here but I'd like to give it a shot.

Do you know enough about stage lighting equipment to give me some advice on choosing stage pin connectors?

I'm deciding between Bates and Group 5.

Do you think I should go for Group 5? Some interesting prices here:

http://www.atielectrical.com/wiring-devices/stage-pin-connectors

[Cailen Waddell]

Bates connectors no longer meet the 2016 AIA standard.

Check out ssrc


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[Mac Kerr]

Do you know enough about stage lighting equipment to give me some advice on choosing stage pin connectors?

I'm deciding between Bates and Group 5.

Union Connector.

Mac

[Scott Hofmann]

Hey guys,

Not sure if anyone can help around here but I'd like to give it a shot.

Do you know enough about stage lighting equipment to give me some advice on choosing stage pin connectors?

I'm deciding between Bates and Group 5.

Do you think I should go for Group 5? Some interesting prices here:

http://www.atielectrical.com/wiring-devices/stage-pin-connectors

I don't see what is so interesting about the pricing you've found. It shows four 100 amp, two 60 amp, and two 20 amp connectors in male and female. Wouldn't the pricing be different?

[Michael Thompson]

+1 Union Connector

[Scott Hofmann]

Bates connectors no longer meet the 2016 AIA standard.

Check out ssrc


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They are UL listed, so what is the implication of not meeting an AIA standard if used in an existing building? Just curious.

[Cailen Waddell]

They are UL listed, so what is the implication of not meeting an AIA standard if used in an existing building? Just curious.

I am relaying the way it was explained to me by my dealer.  One of the criteria for UL listing is meeting the AIA standard.  When AIA changed its standard bates announced they would not update their connector because it would be to costly.  In theory UL should update their processes ASAP upon receiving new AIA standards, at which point it will no longer be UL listed.


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[Scott Hofmann]

I am relaying the way it was explained to me by my dealer.  One of the criteria for UL listing is meeting the AIA standard.  When AIA changed its standard bates announced they would not update their connector because it would be to costly.  In theory UL should update their processes ASAP upon receiving new AIA standards, at which point it will no longer be UL listed.

I believe you have been mis-informed regarding the standards connection between AIA and UL by your source. It is possible your source confused the ESTA/ANSI standard with AIA. I haven't checked to see if the Bates plugs are still UL listed.

I posted the your response over in the ControlBooth forum, and below is an answer by Steve Terry, ETC vice-president for research and development:

1. As far as I know, there is no AIA standard that relates to pin connectors.
2. Pin connectors are covered by the UL498 standard, UL category code RUFR.
3. A few years back, the UL498 standard changed to adopt by reference the ESTA/ANSI E1.24 standard for pin connectors.
4. This adoption required all pin connectors to be reevaluated by UL for dimensional conformity to E1.24.
5. It is possible that some pin connector manufacturers elected not to conform to E1.24, in which case the UL listing of their connector would have been withdrawn.
6. I cannot comment on the specifics of Bates connectors with regard to UL listing, since I don't know.

[Cailen Waddell]

Interesting....   I will now do more research.


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[Jerry Jonas]

I thought years ago they were going away from pin plugs.  Going towards twistlocks.  Plenty of newer theater installations have them though.

[Mac Kerr]

I thought years ago they were going away from pin plugs.

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[Cailen Waddell]

I am relaying the way it was explained to me by my dealer.  One of the criteria for UL listing is meeting the AIA standard.  When AIA changed its standard bates announced they would not update their connector because it would be to costly.  In theory UL should update their processes ASAP upon receiving new AIA standards, at which point it will no longer be UL listed.

I believe you have been mis-informed regarding the standards connection between AIA and UL by your source. It is possible your source confused the ESTA/ANSI standard with AIA. I haven't checked to see if the Bates plugs are still UL listed.

I posted the your response over in the ControlBooth forum, and below is an answer by Steve Terry, ETC vice-president for research and development:

1. As far as I know, there is no AIA standard that relates to pin connectors.
2. Pin connectors are covered by the UL498 standard, UL category code RUFR.
3. A few years back, the UL498 standard changed to adopt by reference the ESTA/ANSI E1.24 standard for pin connectors.
4. This adoption required all pin connectors to be reevaluated by UL for dimensional conformity to E1.24.
5. It is possible that some pin connector manufacturers elected not to conform to E1.24, in which case the UL listing of their connector would have been withdrawn.
6. I cannot comment on the specifics of Bates connectors with regard to UL listing, since I don't know.

So I went back and did some more research...   The long and the short of it is the above is correct, I was not. 

Apologies to all for any confusion. 

Following up on bates connectors, a manufacturer of connector strips stopped using bates connectors because they did not intend to conform with the e1.24 spec at the time the spec was announced, as dimensionally something wasn't right from what I understand.  However I don't have any confirmation that bates did not update their connector. 

I am now going to try to determine if they are UL listed...


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[Raz Thomas]

Awesome advice guys. I've really learned a lot from your replies so thanks!

[Scott Hofmann]

So I went back and did some more research...   The long and the short of it is the above is correct, I was not. 

Apologies to all for any confusion. 

Following up on bates connectors, a manufacturer of connector strips stopped using bates connectors because they did not intend to conform with the e1.24 spec at the time the spec was announced, as dimensionally something wasn't right from what I understand.  However I don't have any confirmation that bates did not update their connector. 

I am now going to try to determine if they are UL listed...


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Cailen--
I sent an inquiry to Marinco/Bates, and a technical service person replied: " We did get the bates renewed for  the new UL standard."

[Cailen Waddell]

Cailen--
I sent an inquiry to Marinco/Bates, and a technical service person replied: " We did get the bates renewed for  the new UL standard."

Thanks Scott.


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