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Cailen Waddell

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Re: Replacing PA Mains with Peavey SSE 12 Speakers
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2016, 06:29:08 pm »

And to state what may be perfectly obvious to some of us, but perhaps not Armando, since he is new to this, speakers sound should not change with age (reasonably, which 10 years is) if components are not failed/failing.   It's always (almost) cheaper to repair than replace.

For regulars I realize there are some broad generalizations there that don't always apply...


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Re: Replacing PA Mains with Peavey SSE 12 Speakers
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2016, 06:38:07 pm »

And to state what may be perfectly obvious to some of us, but perhaps not Armando, since he is new to this, speakers sound should not change with age (reasonably, which 10 years is) if components are not failed/failing.   It's always (almost) cheaper to repair than replace.

For regulars I realize there are some broad generalizations there that don't always apply...


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Re: Replacing PA Mains with Peavey SSE 12 Speakers
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2016, 09:56:21 am »

Armando,

Are those Impulse 1015s on the floor either side of the pulpit?
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Re: Replacing PA Mains with Peavey SSE 12 Speakers
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2016, 10:10:43 am »

Tim,

I'm new to sound, which is why I'm reaching out to you all here. Can you give me your advice without your sarcasm?

That's an analogy and as such is valid.
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Re: Replacing PA Mains with Peavey SSE 12 Speakers
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2016, 01:14:50 pm »

That's an analogy and as such is valid.

The sarcasm is also provided free of charge.

Out of curiosity just what are your expectations?  You come in and ask about a pair of speakers out of context.  After numerous exchanges you finally divulge the problem that the original speakers have degraded in performance.   Then you also disclose you have no knowledge of audio.

Certainly questions from "newbies" are welcome if you want to learn but it looks to me like you are simply trying to solve the problem yourself and not engage a professional.

You have already been told replacing a pair of quality speakers with some, at best, middle of the road consumer level equipment is a bad idea. 

Fixing the speakers you have is the most economic solution  Hiring a local sound company to do this for you will assure a good result.

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Re: Replacing PA Mains with Peavey SSE 12 Speakers
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2016, 01:32:02 pm »

The sarcasm is also provided free of charge.

Out of curiosity just what are your expectations?  You come in and ask about a pair of speakers out of context.  After numerous exchanges you finally divulge the problem that the original speakers have degraded in performance.   Then you also disclose you have no knowledge of audio.

Certainly questions from "newbies" are welcome if you want to learn but it looks to me like you are simply trying to solve the problem yourself and not engage a professional.

You have already been told replacing a pair of quality speakers with some, at best, middle of the road consumer level equipment is a bad idea. 

Fixing the speakers you have is the most economic solution  Hiring a local sound company to do this for you will assure a good result.

Hi Scott,

You're right, I was trying to fix the problem on my own.

As for my exceptions, I wanted answers but I realize that my original question was extremely vague and out of context and I shouldn't have smarted-off when someone pointed that out.

I want to apologize (especially to Tim) for my sarcasm-comment. It was rude.
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Re: Replacing PA Mains with Peavey SSE 12 Speakers
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2016, 01:48:08 pm »

Armando...

"Muffled" sound is likely happening as the HF drivers degrade.  One common cause of this is voltage spikes being sent to the speakers.  This can happen because of many things:

1.  Turning the amps on before anything else.  With the amps on first, any turning-on/off any other equipment in the signal chain may well send a voltage spike down the line where it is amplified and sent to the speakers.  In severe cases this "pop" can simply take out a HF driver in one instance.  Many lesser incidents over time eventually wear out the HF driver resulting in muffled, muddy or ill-defined sound.

2.  Unplugging instruments or phantom powered microphones while the speakers are receiving signal will accomplish pretty much the same as above.

SOP  is "amps off first, on last".  Following this rule of powering the system on and off will help keep your speakers working longer.

I agree with repairing the existing speakers.  More economical, better sound quality.
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Re: Replacing PA Mains with Peavey SSE 12 Speakers
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2016, 04:45:11 pm »

Armando...

"Muffled" sound is likely happening as the HF drivers degrade.  One common cause of this is voltage spikes being sent to the speakers.  This can happen because of many things:

1.  Turning the amps on before anything else.  With the amps on first, any turning-on/off any other equipment in the signal chain may well send a voltage spike down the line where it is amplified and sent to the speakers.  In severe cases this "pop" can simply take out a HF driver in one instance.  Many lesser incidents over time eventually wear out the HF driver resulting in muffled, muddy or ill-defined sound.

2.  Unplugging instruments or phantom powered microphones while the speakers are receiving signal will accomplish pretty much the same as above.

SOP  is "amps off first, on last".  Following this rule of powering the system on and off will help keep your speakers working longer.

I agree with repairing the existing speakers.  More economical, better sound quality.

Hi Dick,

Thanks for the info! I'm going to have the main speakers repaired instead of replaced (it makes more sense), and definitely going to follow your rule of powering my sound system on and off.
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2016, 11:17:49 pm »

I'd also like to throw this out there.

Many Church systems I've seen have all the "hi" eq turned down because of feedback issues over the years.

Have you been having feedback? Is there a semi-qualified person running or at least maintaining the sound gear?

When is the last time the installer came by to check it out?

Sound systems are not a "one and done" type thing. Just like your HVAC, electrical, plumbing, and heck even the paint on the walls. You have to give it periodic maintenance.

Replacing speakers because they "sound funny" is throwing out the baby with the bath water. Its also very poor stewardship of your money.

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Re: Replacing PA Mains with Peavey SSE 12 Speakers
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2016, 12:45:13 pm »

I'd also like to throw this out there.

Many Church systems I've seen have all the "hi" eq turned down because of feedback issues over the years.

Have you been having feedback? Is there a semi-qualified person running or at least maintaining the sound gear?

When is the last time the installer came by to check it out?

Sound systems are not a "one and done" type thing. Just like your HVAC, electrical, plumbing, and heck even the paint on the walls. You have to give it periodic maintenance.

Replacing speakers because they "sound funny" is throwing out the baby with the bath water. Its also very poor stewardship of your money.

I am Tim and I approve this message.

Hi Tim,

Thanks for the feedback!

We haven't had feedback issues in a long time.

We don't have anyone even semi-qualified running sound since my church is small. I was "volunteered" to do it because I am the most techie person at my church. The last guy running sound was going deaf. His idea of running sound was to turn on the sound equipment and walk away. Anyway, I'm doing my best in learning the basics of running church sound. There seems to be a lot of resources out on the Web.

We haven't had a professional stop by at all to examine my sound system. What I'm going to do, though, is call a local company and have them check out and give maintenance to the main speakers.
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