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[RobinJacobsson]

Hi, is it possible to run LED's as front light?

It's for a band with 5 people and the distance is 4-5 meters I guess.

I was looking at this one, would 2 of those each side do the job?
http://www.thomann.de/se/cameo_flat_pro_par_can_7.htm

A little bit cheaper than this one...

http://www.thomann.de/se/cameo_flat_pro_par_can_12.htm

[Cailen Waddell]

Yes it's possible. 

It depends both on distance and width of coverage.   The Thomann site does not list the dispersion.  Both beam and field angles...  These, combined with some geometry will be able to tell you if they work.

It also depends on your desired level of color rendering.  Again sufficient specs are not listed tondetermin the wavelength of the different colors, so without first hand experience it's hard to know how good a white can be made. 


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[RobinJacobsson]

Yes it's possible. 

It depends both on distance and width of coverage.   The Thomann site does not list the dispersion.  Both beam and field angles...  These, combined with some geometry will be able to tell you if they work.

It also depends on your desired level of color rendering.  Again sufficient specs are not listed tondetermin the wavelength of the different colors, so without first hand experience it's hard to know how good a white can be made. 


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Ah okay! Thanks for your answer! Right now we have 4 PAR64 on each side and the singer and owner of the band is not a technician fan so I have to make the research haha

He says that we could go for LED's if it will work as a front light, with a warmer kind of white.
And I heard that RGBWA would do the job (WA) for front.

[Cailen Waddell]

What lamps are in the 64s? Cp61? 62?


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[Rob Spence]

 RGBAW LEDs can do the job if they are bright enough. For example, four blizzard fab5 pucks will light the front of a 16' wide stage pretty well.


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[Caleb Dueck]

I'd go with some variable or warm white fixtures for white, and RGBA, RGBW, RGBAW, or RGBAW+UV for color.  The Chauvet Pro 2QuadZoomVWTour for example or E-190. 

[RobinJacobsson]

RGBAW LEDs can do the job if they are bright enough. For example, four blizzard fab5 pucks will light the front of a 16' wide stage pretty well.


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Thanks, but I can't find the Blizzard Fab 5 here in Sweden. Looks like they're only available in US.
Can you give me more options that I can find and order from Thomann ( http://www.thomann.de/gb/index.html )?

And I have another question, to avoid creating more threads.
We will control all DMX-units from a lightdesk, we have 4 Coeff MP250 moving heads and some LED DMX + the LED frontlight as we're speaking about right now.

What lightdesk would do the job? We will run the backtracks from a PC and Cakewalk (the playlist) so I will create a MIDI-track in each song that will send information to the lightdesk to change scene/chase.

I have been looking at the Stairville DMX Master 3 FX. I don't need something big, I would rather buy something cheap and small-sized. What is the difference between DMX Master 2 and 3? Do I need the FX?
I just want to make my own scenes and chases and call them from the computer.

[Mark Cadwallader]

Blizzard "HotBox 5" replaced the "Fab 5".

[Rob Spence]

Blizzard "HotBox 5" replaced the "Fab 5".

Quick, minor (I hope) topic swerve...
Mark, have you used both, the fab5 and the hotbox 5? Are they channel and parameter equivalent ?


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[RobinJacobsson]

Blizzard "HotBox 5" replaced the "Fab 5".

I can't find Blizzard's products at all in Sweden. Would appreciate if you could name a few other units that's worth looking in to!

[Mark Cadwallader]

Quick, minor (I hope) topic swerve...
Mark, have you used both, the fab5 and the hotbox 5? Are they channel and parameter equivalent ?


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Corey, I don't recall the channel assignments on the Fab 5 unit. I'm at an all day rehearsal, so I won't be able to check soon. I have some of those and some HotBox RGBA; I don't have any of the five color HotBox units. IIRC, there is slightly less output from the HotBox equivelent, but they are pretty close.

[RobinJacobsson]

I would really appreciate if you could name some flat LED's RGBAW that works as a frontlight for a nice $ and that could be found on Thomann's website or somewhere else in Sweden! Because I have to buy it soon so I can start program the MIDI-track for the lights and use it!

[Steve Garris]

I would really appreciate if you could name some flat LED's RGBAW that works as a frontlight for a nice $ and that could be found on Thomann's website or somewhere else in Sweden! Because I have to buy it soon so I can start program the MIDI-track for the lights and use it!

I'm not seeing a lot of "flat" pars on that site. I do recognize some of those fixtures, which are Chinese and sold here in the states for very cheap. I'f you don't have to be too portable some of those can lights will work just fine. Look for the models that have 25-40 degree dispersion. Around here, I see these cheap Chinese lights at a lot of clubs, and I'll have to admit they look great and are plenty bright.


This flat par has a bunch of 3W led's, should provide plenty of wash and has a perfect 40 deg beam. You can in fact get nice front wash whites with RBG only.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_tri_flat_par_profile_18x3w_rgb.htm

This one would be much brighter, and has a mix of RBGA and RBGW led's. Note that many of the cheaper lights have fixed cords. As you go up in price you move to IEC in & out, and at the higher end you get the powercon. If you can live with the cord and bulk of this light, its specifications look perfect for your application.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_stage_par_cx_2_rgbaw_15x8w.htm

As for your lighting controller, have you looked into a software solution? I've looked around for a good physical controller, but it seems they all have shortcomings. There are a bunch of software options though, and this is the direction I'm heading.

[RobinJacobsson]

Yeah, okay!

About software, I am going to play the backtracks with Cakewalk and create a MIDI-track that I will send to the lighting controller, I don't know if it's possible with software? If there's some way to route the MIDI-track internal maybe?

[RobinJacobsson]

Have you been using desks like Stairville DMX Master 3?

Is it possible to program the moving heads to move in all kinds of patterns?
I used Sunlite Suite on the computer and there I could draw the moving line, is it the same with the desk or do I have to set them to fixed positions and then they only move between the scenes with fixed time?

Because I want to find a desk for about $200

[William Schnake]

I used Sunlite Suite on the computer and there I could draw the moving line, is it the same with the desk or do I have to set them to fixed positions and then they only move between the scenes with fixed time?

Because I want to find a desk for about $200

If you are familiar with Sunlite Suite on the computer why do you want to switch to a desk?  Additionally, I don't know of any desk under $700 or so that does a good job of controlling movers.

Bill

[timkeane]

Hi,
Yes its possible. Since LED has many advantages like

• No warm-up period
• Not affected by cold temperatures
• With LED’s you can direct the light where you want it, thus no light is wasted
• Environmentally friendly - LED’s contain no mercury or other hazardous substances

[RobinJacobsson]

If you are familiar with Sunlite Suite on the computer why do you want to switch to a desk?  Additionally, I don't know of any desk under $700 or so that does a good job of controlling movers.

Bill

Hi, as I wrote before I will run backtracks on live-gigs with Cakewalk and want to sync the lights with the backtracks, so I am going to run a MIDI-signal out of the external soundcard to the Light-desk.

Is it possible to run Sunlite (or another lightprogram) on the same computer and route signals internal instead?

I found this but it doesn't tell me that much!
http://manuals.nicolaudie.com/#/en/sunlite-suite/advanced-programming/external-trigerring

Or can I (manually with a cable) loop the signal from MIDI-out to MIDI-in maybe?
And all this depends on that Sunlite 1 will run on a new computer with Windows 10+

Else I will go for example the Stairville DMX Master 3 FX and hope that will do the job. I don't need any advanced show, just want to be able to move the heads in different patterns and set-up some scenes with them and the other LED's and blinders!

[William Schnake]

Is it possible to run Sunlite (or another lightprogram) on the same computer and route signals internal instead?

I have a friend of mine that does this with his band.  They use a 'click', to play to, but have all of the lights, including movers, in sync though the software on his laptop.  They use the same software for the backing tracks they use for additional instruments.  I'll check with him and see what software they are using.

Bill

[RobinJacobsson]

I have a friend of mine that does this with his band.  They use a 'click', to play to, but have all of the lights, including movers, in sync though the software on his laptop.  They use the same software for the backing tracks they use for additional instruments.  I'll check with him and see what software they are using.

Bill

Okay, please let me know when you have that info!

[William Schnake]

Okay, please let me know when you have that info!

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you Robin.  My son-in-law uses Ableton for playing tracks, synching LEDs & Movers, using both midi and audio.

This might work for what you are needing.

Bill

[Jerry Jonas]

QLab works well and will it will output midi which most lighting controllers will understand

[Mac Kerr]

QLab works well

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