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[Aaron Maurer]

http://billypenn.com/2016/01/27/new-bill-would-create-a-registry-of-all-the-bands-and-djs-that-play-philly-its-become-necessary/


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[Art Nadelman]

WTF?

[John Roberts {JR}]

We're from the government and we're here to help you.... just show us your papers. 

JR

[Hayden J. Nebus]

WTF?

Absolute rights are hard to come by.

In the US, individuals have freedom to express themselves. The government cannot abridge the rights to speech or assembly, but they can dictacte the time, place and manner.

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/grayned.html 

[David Allred]

Oops.  Politics.  Shut it down.

[Ray Aberle]

I opened this link thinking it was going to be from The Onion...........

alas.

I think we can have this discussion without it being political. If the venue asks for YOUR (the soundco's) personal address, what would your response be? I'd give them the corporate address and phone number, because I run a business and even though I'm the one doing the show, the BUSINESS is the one who ones the gig.

Thoughts?

Ray

[Jamin Lynch]

I opened this link thinking it was going to be from The Onion...........

alas.

I think we can have this discussion without it being political. If the venue asks for YOUR (the soundco's) personal address, what would your response be? I'd give them the corporate address and phone number, because I run a business and even though I'm the one doing the show, the BUSINESS is the one who ones the gig.

Thoughts?

Ray

If you are a sound co. in good standing with the venue and you have plans for future shows there, then the venue should already have your info....and you should have theirs.

They should at least have your company name, address, phone, e-mail and a contact person.

That's all they should have though. Not my personal info.

[Ned Ward]

If any of you had bothered to read the bill, you'd realize no where in said bill do they ask for the home address. they ask for an address, and that indeed can be the company address, email, website, and license number. Same for performers. The word "address" comes up 6 times in the entire bill and in no instance is "home" included with it.

It's always good to check the source when you see info that looks speculous as this did. A friend did the same thing on FB last night asking "why are they asking for home addresses?" until I pointed out they weren't.

[Ray Aberle]

The linked article mentioned several times about getting home addresses or "the addresses of all ten members of (group)" - implying home/personal addresses.

Sooooo......?

[Mark Cadwallader]

Without seeing the text of the proposed ordinance, I would not trust the characterzation of the actual language to a news reporter (or editor) who is not a law school graduate. This is not a slam on the local newspaper (or the news media in general), but an observation that the exact words used can make a HUGE difference under the law.

[Ed Hall]

The bill was withdrawn yesterday.

Phila. councilman yanks his much-derided music-licensing bill

[Kevin McDonough]

"Police would factor into their decision-making things like “crime, traffic, litter, noise, parking and hours of operation; as well as any community concerns, particularly those of neighbors in the immediate vicinity,” according to the bill."


I think the problem with all of these types of laws is that they quickly become over used. Forfeiture of assets, terrorism laws etc all start off by the police saying they will only be used in extreme circumstances, but a few years down the line become routine police action that is used on a daily basis in circumstances it was never intended for.

I feel that something like this would go a very similar route, and would very quickly be used in even the most minor noise complaint cases etc.

k

[Keith Broughton]

"Police would factor into their decision-making things like “crime, traffic, litter, noise, parking and hours of operation; as well as any community concerns, particularly those of neighbors in the immediate vicinity,” according to the bill."


I think the problem with all of these types of laws is that they quickly become over used. Forfeiture of assets, terrorism laws etc all start off by the police saying they will only be used in extreme circumstances, but a few years down the line become routine police action that is used on a daily basis in circumstances it was never intended for.

I feel that something like this would go a very similar route, and would very quickly be used in even the most minor noise complaint cases etc.

k

Agreed!
More information...more control.

[Ned Ward]

The linked article mentioned several times about getting home addresses or "the addresses of all ten members of (group)" - implying home/personal addresses.

Sooooo......?

Sooooo.... the actual bill link was in the article. Easy to click on and search for yourself. 6 instances of the word "address" are in the bill. Nothing states, implies, infers that they were asking for  home/personal addresses.


Again, when an article sounds too stupid to be true, it usually is. Check the source.

[Ray Aberle]

Sooooo.... the actual bill link was in the article. Easy to click on and search for yourself. 6 instances of the word "address" are in the bill. Nothing states, implies, infers that they were asking for  home/personal addresses.


Again, when an article sounds too stupid to be true, it usually is. Check the source.

Hi Ned,

I have the tendency of assuming that a reporter has done their due diligence, and if something is being referenced on a professional forum such as this, then the person who is referencing it has done *their* homework to ensure that it's a legitimate source.

I apologise for making that ASSumption on here.

Ray

[Ray Aberle]

And a followup, many DJs and bands have just their own address, and aren't working under the umbrella of a corporate structure. So, even if the bill DIDN'T specifically ask for a home address, if a DJ, band, or even sound guy only has the one address--

-- then that's the only address that they could give.

[Steve M Smith]

"Police would factor into their decision-making things like “crime, traffic, litter, noise, parking and hours of operation; as well as any community concerns, particularly those of neighbors in the immediate vicinity,” according to the bill."

Do your police really deal with matters like this?  Here the police only concern themselves with things covered by criminal law.  Civil matters are dealt with by local council employees.
 
 
Steve.

[Mark Cadwallader]

Do your police really deal with matters like this?  Here the police only concern themselves with things covered by criminal law.  Civil matters are dealt with by local council employees.
 
 
Steve.

Steve, the role of police in approving permits indicates to me that the proposed law was not merely a civil regulatory standard. Based on the criteria the police were to consider, I think that the "noise" law was merely cover for regulating the assembly of social groups that are considered (by some) to be undesireable.

Ray, I usually assume that the characterization of laws by news reporters is not particularly nuanced. While laws often appear overly-broad, the exceptions and exclusions to the laws provisions (sometimes) minimize the applicabilty of the law to reasonable circumstances. But it is easy to miss the importance of "the fine print" when you quickly read about an unfamiliar topic.  As Ivan notes, "the devil is in the details."

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