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jason misterka

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Waterproof LED recommendation
« on: November 17, 2015, 09:52:01 pm »

Hello lighting folks -

Sound guy asking.  I'm looking for a recommendation for ideally four, or at the most six, lights. 

These are not to run a "Light Show" but instead to illuminate the stage with fairly natural looking white light.

If we need a lighting show, we bring in a lighting company.  These are for bluegrass festivals, relay for life, first night fireworks events, etc.  Think decent looking work lights :)

What I am looking for is a fixture I can have the staging guys hang easily on the front of the roof of an SL100 or SL250 (16-20ft from the stage deck).   Or I can put on a pole on an ultimate stand or Applied L16.

I was thinking something like a waterproof LED mole?


Here are the requirements, I believe, let me know if this is realistic:

-  Able to be fitted and mounted with cheeseboro, clamps or bolts to SL100 or SL250

- Enough "brightness" and dispersion to light up a 32x24 stage from 20ft.  I'm not too worried about keeping the light on the stage, a little spill is OK for these, and obviously if the stage size and height of the roof changes each gig, then there will be a little fluff.

- since they will be used on different size stages, they need to be able to dim gracefully

- Waterproof (often put up the day before when the stage roof goes up, etc)

- Only need white, but needs to be decent white.  Not perfect but decent enough for amateur photographers not to gripe with me all night.

- DMX control, linked together.  We will bring in a baby console to turn them on when we arrive.

- need all four or six to run on one 20amp 120volt circuit, ideally linking to each other without needing additional cabling, but if I need to I can get additional waterproof cabling. 

- The idea is simplicity.  Since I am relying on the staging company to mount these fairly often, they need to go up easy and not have a bunch of buttons that can be bumped and need a 25ft ladder to reach during soundcheck...

- hoping for a sub $300 per unit price.  What's out there?

Thanks!
Jason



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Josh Rawls

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Re: Waterproof LED recommendation
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2015, 05:32:32 pm »

I couldn't find anything that matches all your needs at your price point. Definitely nothing weatherproof.

The closest thing I could find in your price point is the Chalet SlimPAR Pro VW (http://www.stagelightingstore.com/Chauvet-SlimPAR-Pro-VW?sc=25&category=447157).

It doesn't have locking power connectors so if one connection comes loose you could loose the downstream fixtures.

If you can go up to $400 per fixture then you can look at the Blizzard RokBox InfiniWhite (http://www.stagelightingstore.com/Blizzard-RokBox-InfiniWhite?sc=25&category=447157). This fixture has locking power connectors. It is also brighter (lumen spec) than the Chauvet fixture.

With a 20' throw each fixture would get you around a 9' light circle at the stage floor. If you want even coverage across the entire stage you will need closer to two dozen fixtures. Six fixtures would allow you to light up specific areas of the stage with decent intensity.

Both of these fixtures are not professional grade, they lean more towards the prosumer level.

If you can do without dimming I would lean towards some standard splash proof T8 fixtures like this (http://www.badwgroup.com/collections/wet-location-linear-fluorescent-strips/products/vsa4a232asemv000000i?gclid=Cj0KEQiA4LCyBRCY0N7Oy-mSgNIBEiQAyg39tr0dHvbH54fMmmL1BuIYr6Fd0ojjoveZAG9y8cZjeUUaAnXQ8P8HAQ). This type of fixture would be very bright, but you wouldn't have much control of where the light went.

I hope this was of some help.
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Re: Waterproof LED recommendation
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2015, 10:03:22 pm »

Hot exactly what you are looking for, but take a look at the Kreios FL and FLx.
Not DMX, but to some extent dimmable with standard dimmers (smoothly down to about 10% IIRC). Very high CRI. 
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Re: Waterproof LED recommendation
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2015, 10:16:04 pm »

The chauvet IP fixtures are the budget way to go.  Yes they CAN do colors but they don't have to, and their open white presets are generally good enough.  And they come with the appropriate yokes to easily clamp to a roof structure. 

Alternatively look at some of the Amazon led floodlights.  Google 50w warm white led flood light at Amazon, and you will see some stuff come up.  They work ok, and last about 2000 hours before the LED or driver crap out, but they are super cheap.


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Re: Waterproof LED recommendation
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 12:29:55 pm »

I couldn't find anything that matches all your needs at your price point. Definitely nothing weatherproof.

The closest thing I could find in your price point is the Chalet SlimPAR Pro VW (http://www.stagelightingstore.com/Chauvet-SlimPAR-Pro-VW?sc=25&category=447157).

It doesn't have locking power connectors so if one connection comes loose you could loose the downstream fixtures.

If you can go up to $400 per fixture then you can look at the Blizzard RokBox InfiniWhite (http://www.stagelightingstore.com/Blizzard-RokBox-InfiniWhite?sc=25&category=447157). This fixture has locking power connectors. It is also brighter (lumen spec) than the Chauvet fixture.

With a 20' throw each fixture would get you around a 9' light circle at the stage floor. If you want even coverage across the entire stage you will need closer to two dozen fixtures. Six fixtures would allow you to light up specific areas of the stage with decent intensity.

Both of these fixtures are not professional grade, they lean more towards the prosumer level.

If you can do without dimming I would lean towards some standard splash proof T8 fixtures like this (http://www.badwgroup.com/collections/wet-location-linear-fluorescent-strips/products/vsa4a232asemv000000i?gclid=Cj0KEQiA4LCyBRCY0N7Oy-mSgNIBEiQAyg39tr0dHvbH54fMmmL1BuIYr6Fd0ojjoveZAG9y8cZjeUUaAnXQ8P8HAQ). This type of fixture would be very bright, but you wouldn't have much control of where the light went.

I hope this was of some help.

Thanks Josh -

We actually own eight Slim Par Pro fixtures on two trees of four.  I don't have too many complaints with them, however, they are not waterproof and they didn't get bright enough IMO for this project.  I have the RGBA version from two or three years ago. Maybe the newer version is better, but unless the newer version is waterproof I can't use them for this. 

I'm not hard and fast at $300.  I was just hoping for $300 since I didn't need any color changing, just white.


EDIT also I like the idea of the multiple color temp options on the Blizzard units but they aren't waterproof either, correct?

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Re: Waterproof LED recommendation
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 12:36:15 pm »

The chauvet IP fixtures are the budget way to go.  Yes they CAN do colors but they don't have to, and their open white presets are generally good enough.  And they come with the appropriate yokes to easily clamp to a roof structure. 

Alternatively look at some of the Amazon led floodlights.  Google 50w warm white led flood light at Amazon, and you will see some stuff come up.  They work ok, and last about 2000 hours before the LED or driver crap out, but they are super cheap.


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What I'm looking for would actually be taking the place of our 4 on a tree Slim Par Pro rig that we already own.  I like those but my complaints are that for this they are not quite bright enough, and not waterproof.

I have two damaged units right now due to a surprise rain storm and no good way to get the lights down.

The warm LED work lights may be the way to go, I've gotten a few of those at Lowe's for dark loadouts and they do well at that so I can try them out.  I was hoping for something with built in dimming capability though.


Thanks,
Jason
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Re: Waterproof LED recommendation
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 02:56:03 pm »


What I'm looking for would actually be taking the place of our 4 on a tree Slim Par Pro rig that we already own.  I like those but my complaints are that for this they are not quite bright enough, and not waterproof.

I have two damaged units right now due to a surprise rain storm and no good way to get the lights down.

The warm LED work lights may be the way to go, I've gotten a few of those at Lowe's for dark loadouts and they do well at that so I can try them out.  I was hoping for something with built in dimming capability though.


Thanks,
Jason

Chauvet has outdoor rated units in its professional line, like the Colorado 1 IP.  They will keep going through a fairly driving rainstorm.  We clean ours with garden hoses.  But they are more costly than the Slimpars so perhaps not where you want to spend money.


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Re: Waterproof LED recommendation
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 03:31:42 pm »

Chauvet has outdoor rated units in its professional line, like the Colorado 1 IP.  They will keep going through a fairly driving rainstorm.  We clean ours with garden hoses.  But they are more costly than the Slimpars so perhaps not where you want to spend money.


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I will check them out, thanks. I'm having to rebuy some damaged Slim Par Pro as it is so I'd rather spend a bit more and have them not break when it rains.

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Re: Waterproof LED recommendation
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2015, 07:56:24 pm »

If you can go over your $300 budget I would definitely look at the Chauvet Colorado IP series. I have 18 Colorado Tour 1 fixtures and they have been bulletproof. The IP series are the same except with waterproof electrical and data connectors.
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Re: Waterproof LED recommendation
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2015, 12:40:00 pm »

We have a lot of the Elation ELAR108s that we use all year on our Stagelines and we have yet to have one fail. They are more than your $300.00 budget, but you will never worry about them.
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