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Author Topic: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.  (Read 20425 times)

Brandon Scopel

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Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« on: June 17, 2015, 04:43:30 pm »

So I went into GC yesterday and gave the new SRX a listen and really like the way the sound at higher volumes. The problem is I already own 2 amp racks set for tri-amp operation that was powering old JBL cinema speakers. While I don't have the UX8800, I was wondering if it was worth it to buy the 4 eaw @$3500 now, do one or two shows with the current xover which is a dbx223xs. The components are the same in each rack 1 QSC rmx1450, 1 QSC rmx1850hd, 1 QSC rmx2450, with the xovers. The SRX will cost me 1k per cabinet. The gigs are mostly going to be outside concerts +-2500ppl in 350ft field with multiple local bands. We are planning on building scaffolding so we can get them at the proper heights. They don't need stupid loud volumes but need clarity. The styles of music will be a little bit of rock and country. I also will be renting 4 martin ws218x to put underneath either cabinets.

TL,DR eventually properly powered and processed eaw650z or srx835p
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Re: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2015, 05:37:40 pm »

I would not ever attempt to run a KF rig without the right crossover.

You can buy MX330's (or whatever they are called) on ebay all day long for cheap. That will work.

The eaw analog crossover has lots of eq and other magical stuff in it to run the KF650's. The dbx doesn't.

At the end of the day I think that a UX processed 650 rig will run circles around the JBL. Both in quality and quantity. Its in a different league.

However, until you get the UX8800, the JBL's will sound better. The EAW will likely get much louder and be accepted on riders, but the JBL will sound better due to its FIR processing and general 20 years of advancements over the KF.
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Re: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2015, 05:43:15 pm »

I would not ever attempt to run a KF rig without the right crossover.

You can buy MX330's (or whatever they are called) on ebay all day long for cheap. That will work.

The eaw analog crossover has lots of eq and other magical stuff in it to run the KF650's. The dbx doesn't.

At the end of the day I think that a UX processed 650 rig will run circles around the JBL. Both in quality and quantity. Its in a different league.

However, until you get the UX8800, the JBL's will sound better. The EAW will likely get much louder and be accepted on riders, but the JBL will sound better due to its FIR processing and general 20 years of advancements over the KF.


Thanks, I did not see the ux3600 at first but it seems like there are some on ebay. I was thinking along the same lines as far as output and rider acceptance.
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Re: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2015, 05:54:15 pm »

For 2500 people and 350 feet I think you are going to be asking a lot of either system, unless your spl requirements are really low.
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Re: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2015, 05:59:16 pm »

For 2500 people and 350 feet I think you are going to be asking a lot of either system, unless your spl requirements are really low.

At the 350ft mark there is going to be tents with vendors, as the event is local band promotion, so the higher spl levels are only 200ft, even then 90 db is the max I want to push at FOH
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Re: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2015, 06:34:16 pm »

I just got a pair of srx835p's and used them for a gig last weekend. I too first heard them in a GC. They sounded great there but IMO were even more impressive outside when they can really open up. The airiness and depth these put out is amazing.   I did a gig with roughly 300 people in an area 150x75 and barely had to push them.  Compared to my qsc kw152 rig I normally use there, there was no comparison.  These sound like a professional box compared to others I've used.

Another rig I often use in an srx725 over srx728 powered by itech 6000 and 12000's.  For larger events I use four srx725's and four srx728's. 

Upon first use, I think I prefer the srx835.  It's just easier to get a better sound right off the bat. I know some will disagree but that's my take on the initial use and I don't have to worry so much about power.  Not saying they are better than the 700 series srx, just may be a better option for mobile bands and small scale sound operations. One day I will a/b them.

A one point I ran them full range and they had no issue holding volume or clipping.  I had a solid 95db at 40ft from stage and had way more room to go.  I have to run my qsc's much Harder and they sound nowhere near as good as these at volume.   This particular place doesn't want it too loud.  I got to crank them with program music before the band was there and they get scary loud and didn't lose clarity. The air temp was 90 degrees and they didn't skip a beat.

Published specs can get hairy but I got the same feeling when using the 835's as when I first used the 725's.  These are way better than your typical speaker. The punch and throw is great.  Can you get better?  Sure, but for the price these going to be hard to beat for many smaller operations.

Another thing to note is that these were eating my kw181's when I started to increase the volume. I have 828's on the way and I can't wait to hear the combo.   

My plan is to add two more 835p's and 828sp's.



 
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Re: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2015, 06:40:44 pm »

I just got a pair of srx835p's and used them for a gig last weekend. I too first heard them in a GC. They sounded great there but IMO were even more impressive outside when they can really open up. The airiness and depth these put out is amazing.   I did a gig with roughly 300 people in an area 150x75 and barely had to push them.  Compared to my qsc kw152 rig I normally use there, there was no comparison.  These sound like a professional box compared to others I've used.

Another rig I often use in an srx725 over srx728 powered by itech 6000 and 12000's.  For larger events I use four srx725's and four srx728's. 

Upon first use, I think I prefer the srx835.  It's just easier to get a better sound right off the bat. I know some will disagree but that's my take on the initial use and I don't have to worry so much about power.  Not saying they are better than the 700 series srx, just may be a better option for mobile bands and small scale sound operations. One day I will a/b them.

A one point I ran them full range and they had no issue holding volume or clipping.  I had a solid 95db at 40ft from stage and was hardly pushing them.  This particular place doesn't want it too loud.  I got to crank them with program music before the band was there and they get scary loud and didn't lose clarity. The air temp was 90 degrees and they didn't skip a beat.

Published specs can get hairy but I got the same feeling when using the 835's as when I first used the 725's.  These are way better than your typical speaker. The punch and throw is great.  Can you get better?  Sure, but for the price these going to be hard to beat for many smaller operations.

Another thing to note is that these were eating my kw181's when I started to increase the volume. I have 828's on the way and I can't wait to hear the combo.   

My plan is to add two more 835p's and 828sp's.



 

Mike, I can't wait to hear your update either.

You say they ran much better that 152's but what about 153's?  A 153 over two 181's is my bread and butter large rig.  I can't imagine FIR or not that a similarly configured cabinet is going to be that big an improvement to justify the investment. 

Traditionally lateral moves have always been, well lateral.  You really have to step into a 3 or 4k cabinet for the clients to notice (and pay) more.

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Re: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2015, 07:05:50 pm »

Mike, I can't wait to hear your update either.

You say they ran much better that 152's but what about 153's?  A 153 over two 181's is my bread and butter large rig.  I can't imagine FIR or not that a similarly configured cabinet is going to be that big an improvement to justify the investment. 

Traditionally lateral moves have always been, well lateral.  You really have to step into a 3 or 4k cabinet for the clients to notice (and pay) more.

I love the kw153's.  Unfortunately I have not heard them side by side.  I have heard the 153 on several occasion and thought they were awesome.   A 153 over two 181's is an awesome rig. That's what I was originally going to do until the srx800 came out. 

For you, the move may not be worthwhile for the cost.  You have a killer rig.

Don't get me wrong, the 152's are great sounding speakers but don't sound anywhere near as big and open.  I did compare the 152's to the srx815 and found similar results.  The srx was a better sounding speaker.  I'm sure the 3 inch hf driver was probably key to the jbl sounding smoother but they still sounded bigger and more open than the 152.

I heard the kw181 next to the srx818.  The srx sounded bigger but necessarily much louder.  I did prefer the jbl but I will always love the kw181 and think they sit perfectly in a band mix. I was originally going to add two more 181's but when I realized I could get a pair of dual 18 srx's for about $600 (non-retail) more than a pair of kW181's it was a no brainer.  Then I went stupid and also got the 835's.

I was able to sell some other powered gear I had to supplement the purchase.  If you could sell and top dollar it may be worth it but if I had your rig from the get go, I'd probably stick with it.


Edit - the way the 835 outperforms the 152 is fullness, clarity, and overall sound definition.  As expected with a 3way box you could hear define subtleties that I can't with the 152.  When being pushed the 152 as well as the smaller qsc's can get a little sizzle from the horn.  The srx835 doesn't do this and neither did the srx815 when I tested them together.  On that note I've never heard the the kw153 get the sizzle and I'm sure it's due to the 3way design and crossover.   The 153 is a huge sounding speaker as well.  i would be perfectly content with my qsc rig but I needed to add and the logical step for me was bigger.  I'll use my qsc 152 setup for smaller stuff and the jbl for larger.  The 152 makes and awesome drum monitor so that's a win there when I use the jbl.

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Re: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2015, 07:19:04 pm »

For a multiple box stack I would think that the horn loaded KFs would have better pattern control and array better.  The better directivity should also give you more even sound at distance outdoors.  With the narrower vertical pattern you could better aim them down at your primary audience.
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Re: Can't decide what to buy. 4 eaw k650z or 4 JBL srx835p.
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2015, 08:04:58 pm »




Thanks, I did not see the ux3600 at first but it seems like there are some on ebay. I was thinking along the same lines as far as output and rider acceptance.

I was actually talking about the eaw MX series processors. They are analog and are set at the factory for what type of speaker you are using. Since they are not very adjustable, they are super cheap on ebay. Just make sure to get one with a 650 setting loaded into it.
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