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Sean Schult

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What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« on: June 17, 2015, 01:18:34 am »

Outdoors I normally use a pop-up canopy and frame it in with tables and cases. But those kind of gigs don't require me and my equipment to be hidden; as long as the cables are neat and out of harm's way, life is good.

But what about indoor? Corporate, dance recital, location theatre, whatever. I need to setup FoH sometimes (hate stage-side mixing) but it needs to look nice as to not detract from the event. I've seen guys that have what looks like crowd control fencing covered in black cloth, and they frame out an area using that. It's like a DJ facade almost, but black cloth. High enough to conceal your stuff and make you less noticeable, low enough that you can see over it. What is it called so I can actually seek it out? Is there something better?
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2015, 07:52:26 am »

Outdoors I normally use a pop-up canopy and frame it in with tables and cases. But those kind of gigs don't require me and my equipment to be hidden; as long as the cables are neat and out of harm's way, life is good.

But what about indoor? Corporate, dance recital, location theatre, whatever. I need to setup FoH sometimes (hate stage-side mixing) but it needs to look nice as to not detract from the event. I've seen guys that have what looks like crowd control fencing covered in black cloth, and they frame out an area using that. It's like a DJ facade almost, but black cloth. High enough to conceal your stuff and make you less noticeable, low enough that you can see over it. What is it called so I can actually seek it out? Is there something better?

Pipe and drape.
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2015, 07:59:07 am »

Try searching for "scrim".  Some places also list "DJ booth" but those are not inconspicuous.

Some venues will loan you a tablecloth to drape FOH gear, that will give you a color/texture match to the dining tables, just be sure to ask when you advance the gig.  The event planner may be renting them from the food vendor and not the venue.
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2015, 09:40:10 am »

For a large gig, pipe and drape. For most medium or small gigs, we have 2 black tables we own with table covers and matching chairs that dress up FOH mix nicely and fit neatly into the trailer pack. They are even treated for flame resistance in case a difficult fire marshall felt the need to call us on it.

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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2015, 09:54:28 am »

banjo cloth pipe and drape
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2015, 10:36:28 am »

black duvetyne or commando cloth
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2015, 11:10:20 am »

"Tech Surround" is a type of short pipe and drape used to conceal FOH or any other areas where you may want to hide equipment, personnel etc.
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2015, 01:24:46 pm »

"Tech Surround" is a type of short pipe and drape used to conceal FOH or any other areas where you may want to hide equipment, personnel etc.
Ah ha! Those are the search words that I've been looking for. How simple yet elusive lol. Thanks all for your input!
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2015, 03:49:41 pm »

Pipe and drape is a generic phrase for exhibit and trade show display goods.  Typically banjo cloth which is inherently flame retardant and available in an array of colors.
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2015, 08:16:28 pm »

Outdoors I normally use a pop-up canopy and frame it in with tables and cases. But those kind of gigs don't require me and my equipment to be hidden; as long as the cables are neat and out of harm's way, life is good.

But what about indoor? Corporate, dance recital, location theatre, whatever. I need to setup FoH sometimes (hate stage-side mixing) but it needs to look nice as to not detract from the event. I've seen guys that have what looks like crowd control fencing covered in black cloth, and they frame out an area using that. It's like a DJ facade almost, but black cloth. High enough to conceal your stuff and make you less noticeable, low enough that you can see over it. What is it called so I can actually seek it out? Is there something better?
Here's from a few years ago.  Small cultural festival (Christmas event).  We requested a table (for FOH) exactly like what they use for other displays/vendors - this ensured we wouldn't have something that would stick out.  We used regular fold out chairs (nothing that would sit higher than everyone else).

Then, we cover everything in black cloth (breathable); the back of the FOH board (Yamaha board), and the top and back of both racks all covered (though, we had fans in the back of the racks to keep them cool).  The black cloth was more than long enough to drape over everything and reach the ground.  The producers thanked us for keeping a "low profile".  The view from this picture shows a small part of the hall; and of the events taking place.

We do this event every year; same setup/covers/location/etc... (except all new equipment since the time of the photo).

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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2015, 08:29:45 pm »

In addition to 36" tall pipe and drape, you can get clip-on table skirting (just like hotel conference centers use). You can get different size clips for different thickness of table tops. Unlike plain tablecloths, you can move the skirting and stuff cables between the edge of the table and the skirting.  Note that 36" pipe and drape will be a few inches taller than most table heights. With pipe and drape, you can mask cases and other gear that isn't under your table. Rental might be an option for you; you can get an appropriate color of drape for your event. (White for weddings, etc.)
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2015, 08:35:46 pm »

Rental might be an option for you; you can get an appropriate color of drape for your event. (White for weddings, etc.)

At the same time, if this is something that you can provide (read: charge for) as a value added service ("You can get this from one place!"), then 3-4 uses and it's paid for. Typically, 3' P&D runs $3-$5/linear foot, and the purchase cost there isn't more then a few hundred bucks.

And then, once it's paid for, cheddar in the bank.

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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2015, 09:29:49 pm »

At the same time, if this is something that you can provide (read: charge for) as a value added service ("You can get this from one place!"), then 3-4 uses and it's paid for. Typically, 3' P&D runs $3-$5/linear foot, and the purchase cost there isn't more then a few hundred bucks.

And then, once it's paid for, cheddar in the bank.

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Yep. I have a small assortment of pipe and drape in a couple of heights and a few colors. Red, white, and blue panels can be threaded onto 10' pipe and now you are ready for 4th of July or a political rally.
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2015, 12:39:33 am »

Sean,

Check out below...

Innovative-Systems (this is what we use at my job: 4'-7' uprights, 3'-5' crossbars, and lightweight baseplates)

Drape Kings (lots of options; you can even rent to try it out)

Georgia Expo (not as durable)

Here's a pic I took of a typical setup:

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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2015, 01:37:25 am »

Sean,

Check out below...

Innovative-Systems (this is what we use at my job: 4'-7' uprights, 3'-5' crossbars, and lightweight baseplates)

Drape Kings (lots of options; you can even rent to try it out)

Georgia Expo (not as durable)

Here's a pic I took of a typical setup:
That could be control at any convention cent in Las Vegas.
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2015, 08:14:01 am »

I use table skirting that the hotel has. It matches all the other tables in the room. The in-house AV company uses short black pipe and drape. The skirting seems to blend in better but doesn't look as "techy".
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2015, 03:34:45 pm »

Thanks guys. I already provide my own tables, and black tablecloth/skirting. Just looking for the pipe&drape to surround it. I didn't expect it to be this expensive -- looks like the components to do it will be about $900 which is about 3x my budget. The adjustable height is a great feature, I think 4' high would be about perfect to see over yet hide the stuff on the tables.
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2015, 05:03:48 pm »

Thanks guys. I already provide my own tables, and black tablecloth/skirting. Just looking for the pipe&drape to surround it. I didn't expect it to be this expensive -- looks like the components to do it will be about $900 which is about 3x my budget. The adjustable height is a great feature, I think 4' high would be about perfect to see over yet hide the stuff on the tables.

Check out Rose Brand, you can pick up a pipe a drape system for less than $200.00
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Re: What do you guys use for a FoH facade?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2015, 06:57:06 pm »

Thanks guys. I already provide my own tables, and black tablecloth/skirting. Just looking for the pipe&drape to surround it. I didn't expect it to be this expensive -- looks like the components to do it will be about $900 which is about 3x my budget. The adjustable height is a great feature, I think 4' high would be about perfect to see over yet hide the stuff on the tables.

If the cost of getting 4' drape panels (3' are standard) is a factor, you could order 8' drape panels and cut them in half. (Hemming the cut edges, of course.)  All the drape I've seen has a pole pocket on both the upper and lower portion of the drape panal. You would only need to buy half as many panels that way.  Any height loss due to hems could be addressed by the height adjustment on the uprights.

For that matter, you could cut down regular non-adjustable uprights to the right height (4', or whatever.)  Fixed height uprights are typically less expensive than adjustable ones. It might be a little "ghetto", but might help your budget.  Mark "Mr. Cheap" C.
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2015, 03:56:29 am »

Thanks guys. I already provide my own tables, and black tablecloth/skirting. Just looking for the pipe&drape to surround it. I didn't expect it to be this expensive -- looks like the components to do it will be about $900 which is about 3x my budget. The adjustable height is a great feature, I think 4' high would be about perfect to see over yet hide the stuff on the tables.

http://www.drapekings.com/drape/drape-solutions/tabletop-dj-booth/

Drape King has pins that clamp to your table. Buy 8' high Banjo cloth and cut in half and sew new hems like was mentioned. Should get you in under $250 total.
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