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[Samuel Rees]

Touch to turn is pretty slick I'll give you that - I admit I end up using touch to turn for EQ pretty frequently on my GLD, even with 8 EQ encoders on the surface.

[Tim McCulloch]

This is my concern as well - it's nice to see what the EQ looks like, but it's very easy to lose focus on how it actually sounds.

I don't have to look up to listen, but I may be in the minority.

[Tim Weaver]

I don't have to look up to listen, but I may be in the minority.

Yup. I can mix no matter where my head is pointed. Hell I even saw a blind guy mixing once. I wonder how he ever did it!

[Justice C. Bigler]

I don't have to look up to listen, but I may be in the minority.

What?! You're talking crazy talk there. Everyone knows that if you can't see something, then you can't hear it. Just ask every college lighting design professor. 

[Cristian Good]

Does anyone know if it will include the fade times for scene changes? Does the QL series have fade times?

[Stephen Kirby]

Pros know what they need from the sound coming off the stage.  And can tweak a graphic or find a center frequency on a strip often without looking at it.  Or at least not staring at the panel for 60 seconds.  But I see a lot of folks in clubs entranced with digital board displays and completely unaware of what's going on on stage.  Anything that gets them to look up (or spend less time looking down) so I can get their attention is a good thing when my muso's hat is on.

[Justice C. Bigler]

Maybe they'll offer a stripped down version without all the manufacturer tuned presets for those of us that know what we are doing, and save us a few bucks on the price too... 

[Scott Bolt]

Si Expression is using the same pricing. They're selling pretty well considering their featureset on expandability.

Just to put the pricing in context:

MIDAS M32R - $3000.00
Yamaha TF1 - $2500.00
Soundcraft Si Expression 1 $2500.00
Qu-16 - $2000.00
X32 Compact - $2000.00
X32 Producer - $1500.00

I think that both the TF1 and Si Expression are very close to the M32R in price.  Hard to justify not spending the extra $500 for a MIDAS console.

I do like several things about the TF line.  The combo plugs I think are actually a nice touch.  LCD scribble strips are very nice as well.

It just seems like Yamaha have put themselves in a tight market position...... nearly as expensive as a MIDAS mixer, and almost double the lower priced X32 Producer .... both rivals can be put into a 19" rack while the Yamaha doesn't appear to be able to do so (please correct me if I missed something here).

It appears this mixer will compete with the Si Expression and appeal to some of those would be buyers.  With its recording ability and LCD scribble strips, it actually has some advantages over the Si Expression.  Unfortunately, from where I currently stand, the Si Expression still enjoys a usability rating at the top of any of these consoles .... including the new TF.

Competition is good for the consumer.  I look forward to hearing how these new consoles sound out in the wild

[Thomas Le]

Just to put the pricing in context:

MIDAS M32R - $3000.00
Yamaha TF1 - $2500.00
Soundcraft Si Expression 1 $2500.00
Qu-16 - $2000.00
X32 Compact - $2000.00
X32 Producer - $1500.00

I think that both the TF1 and Si Expression are very close to the M32R in price.  Hard to justify not spending the extra $500 for a MIDAS console.

I do like several things about the TF line.  The combo plugs I think are actually a nice touch.  LCD scribble strips are very nice as well.

It just seems like Yamaha have put themselves in a tight market position...... nearly as expensive as a MIDAS mixer, and almost double the lower priced X32 Producer .... both rivals can be put into a 19" rack while the Yamaha doesn't appear to be able to do so (please correct me if I missed something here).

It appears this mixer will compete with the Si Expression and appeal to some of those would be buyers.  With its recording ability and LCD scribble strips, it actually has some advantages over the Si Expression.  Unfortunately, from where I currently stand, the Si Expression still enjoys a usability rating at the top of any of these consoles .... including the new TF.

Competition is good for the consumer.  I look forward to hearing how these new consoles sound out in the wild

At the bottom of the product page or in the brochure, they show a TF1 rackmounted.

[Scott Helmke]

Pros know what they need from the sound coming off the stage.  And can tweak a graphic or find a center frequency on a strip often without looking at it.  Or at least not staring at the panel for 60 seconds.  But I see a lot of folks in clubs entranced with digital board displays and completely unaware of what's going on on stage.  Anything that gets them to look up (or spend less time looking down) so I can get their attention is a good thing when my muso's hat is on.

Those people would mix just as badly on an analog rig.  Don't blame the tools.

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