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Anthony_Svarcbergs

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Digital Mixing Desk advice
« on: April 09, 2015, 07:52:31 pm »

Howdy guys,

Long story short, I am a DJ by trade, Nightclub and such type work. My pastor called me in to the office today and said that it's time they step up they're game with the sound of our Church.

The floor space is roughly 50m X 35m with a pitched roof height of about 12m, the building is very solidly build with insulated walls and rippled iron roof with thick insulation up top as well and carpeted flooring. We currently do not have a reverb issue in the building when it's rocking out as we generally have a all seats filled.

We don't currently have a professional sound tech in the congregation nor one in the area so he has come to me to ask for assistance. He has asked me to find a new Mixing desk and asked about "Digital", We are based in Australia and are using JBL and Mackie powered pa speakers and will probably be replacing a few floor monitors as well and we use about 18 channels of our current mixing desk that is being replaced.

I need advice on how to start looking at what type of Digital MD and what I need to be considering when purchasing. I can organise links to our current speakers and what not if it is needed. But he has asked me to make these decision on his behalf and to get it done sooner rather than later.

Thanks guys and I look forward to hearing your wisdom and learning a thing or two

Warm regards,
Anthony
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John L Nobile

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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2015, 09:14:57 pm »

That's a big space which probably holds a lot of people. I'd suggest that you get a consultant in there. If you want advice from here, and you'll get some great advice,  you should probably post pics and floor plans. Budget as well.
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2015, 09:19:01 pm »

That's a big space which probably holds a lot of people. I'd suggest that you get a consultant in there. If you want advice from here, and you'll get some great advice,  you should probably post pics and floor plans. Budget as well.

Backing up even a little from that point--how is the current system failing to meet your needs? Why do you want to replace the components you're considering replacing?
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2015, 09:21:11 pm »

Welcome to the forum.

Before you look more at any particular digital desk (or any other piece of kit) I would be first looking at your entire current system and seeing how it is not meeting your, or your pastor's requirements.  Remember the system isn't just the speakers and mixer, but also includes the room acoustics and the operators. 

This will help you form a vision/plan and build goals for what you want the system to do.  Once you know what you want the system to do you can choose the right tools for the job. 

This will all take time and may involve many discussions with those involved throughout the church. This is not a quick fix situation.

Without know further details such as congregation size/budget, you may be at a point where you really need a consultant on this.  Where in Australia are you? There are a few of us around and someone may be around you to help, or at least point you in an appropriate direction.
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2015, 11:51:21 pm »

Welcome to the forum.

Before you look more at any particular digital desk (or any other piece of kit) I would be first looking at your entire current system and seeing how it is not meeting your, or your pastor's requirements.  Remember the system isn't just the speakers and mixer, but also includes the room acoustics and the operators. 

This will help you form a vision/plan and build goals for what you want the system to do.  Once you know what you want the system to do you can choose the right tools for the job. 

This will all take time and may involve many discussions with those involved throughout the church. This is not a quick fix situation.

Without know further details such as congregation size/budget, you may be at a point where you really need a consultant on this.  Where in Australia are you? There are a few of us around and someone may be around you to help, or at least point you in an appropriate direction.

The room is very well built and designed acoustically, i will see what I can do to obtain any exact details for you all.

The main reason he gave me of wanting this updated is, they only run a pair of powered P.A speakers at the front left and right that are deteriorating, they are only behringer 500W and a couple of floor monitors along the front stage all of which are no-name donated speakers from about 10 years ago, they then run a few speakers with the guitars and what not. He then just said that the mixer was a very worn out and also deteriorating analogue model which is struggling to work properly. all that being said I can take some shots of all of this equipment this Sunday and post them here if you think it could help at all.

The church is in Burnie Tasmania
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2015, 01:59:36 am »

The room is very well built and designed acoustically, i will see what I can do to obtain any exact details for you all.

The main reason he gave me of wanting this updated is, they only run a pair of powered P.A speakers at the front left and right that are deteriorating, they are only behringer 500W and a couple of floor monitors along the front stage all of which are no-name donated speakers from about 10 years ago, they then run a few speakers with the guitars and what not. He then just said that the mixer was a very worn out and also deteriorating analogue model which is struggling to work properly. all that being said I can take some shots of all of this equipment this Sunday and post them here if you think it could help at all.

The church is in Burnie Tasmania

So, a few questions to get us started:

1.  How many people are typically in attendance at one time?  How many do you want to be able to cover?

2.  What does the program look like?  Modern music with a full band?  Traditional music of some kind?

3.  What kind of budget might be realistic?
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2015, 02:49:39 am »

So, a few questions to get us started:

1.  How many people are typically in attendance at one time?  How many do you want to be able to cover?

2.  What does the program look like?  Modern music with a full band?  Traditional music of some kind?

3.  What kind of budget might be realistic?

I will find out budget over the weekend for you....
we have seating for 200 and we get normally have close to 120 and the room feels typically full. and it is modern style music like Hillsong with full band and on average 4 singers.
attached is a very rough sketch that I will obtain photos of this weekend
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2015, 10:49:32 am »

You mentioned the ceiling at 12m high (about 37ft high).
Do you have access and allowed to hang speakers from above?
You'll need a rigging contractor to do this.

I know you mentioned no issue on room reverberation, but are any of the walls acoustically treated? What are the wall surface made of?
Thanks.
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2015, 11:06:32 am »

Where in Australia are you?

My first suggestion is to talk to a local professional sound/AV company. We have lots of them down here (I'm in Melbourne). The overarching principle in this situation is "fast, good, cheap. Pick two". The last thing a church needs is a half baked job. Sorry but I've seen too many small churches over the years who want Hillsong sound on an op shop budget.

Cheers,
Michael
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2015, 09:48:46 pm »

The church is in Burnie Tasmania

Nice area, spent some time near Burnie on my honeymoon a few years ago.  Unfortunately I can also see why you may struggle to find suitable professionals. May have to get someone across from Launceston or up from Hobart.

Unfortunately it sounds to me it may be time for a complete upgrade. Assuming limited funds and assuming the main issues are speaker related I would be looking at them first rather than the desk, as changing the desk will not fix the speaker issues. As noted by Michael this is one of those situations where fast cheap and of a decent quality is not possible.

Look forward to seeing some pictures.
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2015, 07:50:42 am »

He then just said that the mixer was a very worn out and also deteriorating analogue model which is struggling to work properly.

Does the pastor know this from speaking to those who operate it? It would probably be best for you to ask them yourself - and also speak to the band to get their opinions (and their requirements).

I'm not a pro, but as others have said, there's no point in getting a brand new mixer if your speakers are worn out or unsuitable. It'd be like putting lipstick on a pig.
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2015, 06:13:22 pm »

Nice area, spent some time near Burnie on my honeymoon a few years ago.  Unfortunately I can also see why you may struggle to find suitable professionals. May have to get someone across from Launceston or up from Hobart.

Unfortunately it sounds to me it may be time for a complete upgrade. Assuming limited funds and assuming the main issues are speaker related I would be looking at them first rather than the desk, as changing the desk will not fix the speaker issues. As noted by Michael this is one of those situations where fast cheap and of a decent quality is not possible.

Look forward to seeing some pictures.

Thanks everyone so far, I'm not a slacker lol just been very busy.... The photos did not come out nicely on the weekend so I am going to pop in to the church today or tomorrow and post them ASAP.

(Speakers) Yes they are very out dated but I can't stop thinking that old saying if it ain't broke don't fix it, yes it's not flawless but if we keep what we have and use it simply for speaking and possibly get something like 3-ways to run the band through would make it a lot more crisper and controllable. IGBTYS
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Re: Digital Mixing Desk advice
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2015, 04:31:36 pm »

I am not discounting the previous posts in fact I agree with them but, you did not say what mixer you are currently looking at replacing so it is hard to say what improvement there will be. I can say though that in the right hands a digital board can make a noticeable improvement in the sound quality just because there will be more tools available to the person mixing like fully parametric eqs on each input and outputs along with graphic eqs compressors limiters adjustable high pass filters etc. etc. etc. 

What I would do is set down with the pastor and start to develop a long term goal with the sound. Starting with where you are and where you want to go. Put in writing concrete goals that you can implement in steps. 1. speakers 2. signal processors 3. mixers 4. monitors 5 other ods and ends (this is in no particular order) once you have a plan of where you want to go and what your goals are you can bring in someone to show you how to meet those goals. Audio consultants can help you put this in paper form to present to the music stores and get you quotes that actually accomplish your goals rather than just buying a piece or 2 there in hopes that it improves things. Good luck
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