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Mark Payne

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Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« on: November 11, 2014, 02:26:07 am »

Hi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCyK160EtU4

I did one of my unscripted "one take wonder" training videos using a Midas M32's USB port to directly drive Waves Multirack Native. I use Tuning Capture to measure latency and show the effect of manipulating system settings.

I do plug SFL just a little bit but I hope this is 99.5% tech informative to be allowed :-)

Next I plan to do similar sessions on using Digigrid MGB for dual redundant recording and another on looking at the performance improvements of using full Multirack Soundgrid.

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Re: Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2014, 04:09:35 am »

Hi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCyK160EtU4

I did one of my unscripted "one take wonder" training videos using a Midas M32's USB port to directly drive Waves Multirack Native. I use Tuning Capture to measure latency and show the effect of manipulating system settings.

I do plug SFL just a little bit but I hope this is 99.5% tech informative to be allowed :-)

Next I plan to do similar sessions on using Digigrid MGB for dual redundant recording and another on looking at the performance improvements of using full Multirack Soundgrid.

Cheers

Mark

That was good Mark!
Looking forward to the Digico and Soundgrid videos.
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Re: Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2014, 04:28:41 am »

HI Nitin

I will be doing a bunch of Waves Soundgrid stuff but none of it will be with Digico. Its not something I use (much). Midas, Yamaha and Roland here... oh and Avid but I have forgotten how to use that, been a long time.

Watch this space!

I think I need to up the pace on these one takes.....
Agree?

M


That was good Mark!
Looking forward to the Digico and Soundgrid videos.
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Re: Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2014, 12:39:49 pm »

I think I need to up the pace on these one takes.....
Agree?


No.  I think you pace was excellent as was your presentation.  Very nice!

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Re: Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2014, 12:39:16 pm »

Ok so Part 2 is now up

http://youtu.be/0cs576ul7Kc


This is part 2 of 3. It goes on for ages as I compare the RME Madiface with the Waves Digigrid MGB.
We do Waves Live plugin stuff in Native and Soundgrid mode and measure the xxxx out of everything.

At the end of it I manage to bore myself......!!!!

Mark


No.  I think you pace was excellent as was your presentation.  Very nice!

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Re: Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2015, 01:13:56 pm »

Thank you Mark! This is exactly what I was looking for! Well done!
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Re: Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2015, 11:16:22 pm »

Have any of you tried this with any Dante Setups?

Will using DVS with 4ms latency cause to much added delay on the inserts?
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2015, 11:53:34 pm »

Have any of you tried this with any Dante Setups?

Will using DVS with 4ms latency cause to much added delay on the inserts?

It depends entirely on what you are doing with the inserts. It is going to be too much latency for channel processing like eq and compression. It will be fine for things like reverb that may already have 10ms of pre-delay built in. But reverbs are probably better done with an aux send and a channel in return.

What console are you thinking of using Dante on inserts with? It is currently not possible with Yamaha console, that do not allow Dante to be used with inserts.

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2015, 12:23:33 am »

It depends entirely on what you are doing with the inserts. It is going to be too much latency for channel processing like eq and compression. It will be fine for things like reverb that may already have 10ms of pre-delay built in. But reverbs are probably better done with an aux send and a channel in return.

What console are you thinking of using Dante on inserts with? It is currently not possible with Yamaha console, that do not allow Dante to be used with inserts.

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Currently we have 3 X32's. Two with USB XUF cards, and one with Dante card.
I'll do some testing and see what kind of real world delay difference I am getting between the two different setups.

We also have a CL5, with an Dante-MY16 loaded into one of the slots (Which are patchable in the inserts points)
And, like you said, should be fine for time based effects. And, I Don't really feel like spending the extra dollars to get the WSG-Y16 card.

I am just starting to experiment with multi-rack to see if it will help me with consistency in the long run.
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Re: Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2015, 12:38:39 pm »

Hello Again Mark!

Another great video!
And a big thank you and 2015 greetings!

Regarding your initial test between the RME and the MGB, when running a native setup, the MGB does give better results, but you do not speak of buffer sizes involved with the two soundcards ? I think i got a glimpse of the MGB running at 40 odd samples ? But how stable at what load ? Pandoras...

also, it would a very curious test to compare all of this against the Avid's TDM architecture with the older consoles, and the AAX architecture with the newer ones, alas waves does not do AAX DSP...

AVId did bring this evil upon us, but I still do believe they have the best plugin/Virtual sc solution.

Cheers!
Sidhu
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2015, 01:33:00 pm »

Currently we have 3 X32's. Two with USB XUF cards, and one with Dante card.
I'll do some testing and see what kind of real world delay difference I am getting between the two different setups.

We also have a CL5, with an Dante-MY16 loaded into one of the slots (Which are patchable in the inserts points)
And, like you said, should be fine for time based effects. And, I Don't really feel like spending the extra dollars to get the WSG-Y16 card.

I am just starting to experiment with multi-rack to see if it will help me with consistency in the long run.

What consoles and console cards you have is pretty much irrelevant, the latency on the hardware end is relatively short. What matters is what you intend to do on the DVS end, it's the software latency that is the problem. Reverbs should be fine, I expect not much else to be fine.

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Re: Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2015, 07:19:21 pm »

What consoles and console cards you have is pretty much irrelevant, the latency on the hardware end is relatively short. What matters is what you intend to do on the DVS end, it's the software latency that is the problem. Reverbs should be fine, I expect not much else to be fine.

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Thanks Mac,

Will do some tests and get back to you all to see how much latency will actually be added. I suspect channel inserts to be a no go as well.
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Re: Waves Multirack Native Latency Testing video
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 10:25:39 am »

Nice work, Mark. I watched two videos all the way through and I liked how clearly you express yourself. Good stuff!

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