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[Jeff Bankston]

ebay item number 311118827427. some guy on ebay has it. not me.

[Ivan Beaver]

ebay item number 311118827427. some guy on ebay has it. not me.

One interesting thing is the 0 position of the knobs.  Not at 12 but rather at 6 oclock.

Kustom (yes the rolled and pleated guys) made a couple of "professional" mixers before they went out of business.

I was told there were 7 made-at one time I owned 3 of them and knew who owned a 4th.

It had individual removable channels-a 5 band eq-switchable high and low pass filters-switchable limiters etc.

The really weird thing was the effects.  There was no buss-but rather an individual input/output on each channel.

Things were not so "standard" back in those days.

I would like to have the Tychobrahe mixer-but not at that price--------

[Art Welter]

One interesting thing is the 0 position of the knobs.  Not at 12 but rather at 6 oclock.
Things were not so "standard" back in those days.
I would like to have the Tychobrahe mixer-but not at that price--------

Ivan,

Until just now looking at Jim Gamble's 1974 Tycobrahe Blue board I had not realized that the latter Yamaha PM1000 copied Jim's "upside down" knob position, following his "standard". Since the latter PM consoles adopted the "normal" 0 dB at the top of the knob position, I had assumed that the odd PM1000 knob layout was a Japanese convention that was left behind when Yamaha mixing consoles reached worldwide acceptance as an industry "standard" desk.

Learn something old every day ;^).

Art

[Ivan Beaver]

Ivan,

Until just now looking at Jim Gamble's 1974 Tycobrahe Blue board I had not realized that the latter Yamaha PM1000 copied Jim's "upside down" knob position, following his "standard". Since the latter PM consoles adopted the "normal" 0 dB at the top of the knob position, I had assumed that the odd PM1000 knob layout was a Japanese convention that was left behind when Yamaha mixing consoles reached worldwide acceptance as an industry "standard" desk.

Learn something old every day ;^).

Art

Makes you wonder who really did it first-and why?

All the stereo gear-guitar amps (that I have seen) rotate through the top (12 oclock) positon-not through the 6 oclock position.

There is probably a valid reason-I would love to hear it.

[Jim Turner]

There is probably a valid reason-I would love to hear it.

The reason as explained to me is that on a "large format" console it is difficult to see where the knob is actually pointing without leaning way over to take a look. Having the upside-down orientation kind of makes ergonomic sense.

[Ivan Beaver]

The reason as explained to me is that on a "large format" console it is difficult to see where the knob is actually pointing without leaning way over to take a look. Having the upside-down orientation kind of makes ergonomic sense.

Makes sense to me

[Gus Housen]

Seems like a ridiculous amount of $.

[brian maddox]

Makes you wonder who really did it first-and why?

All the stereo gear-guitar amps (that I have seen) rotate through the top (12 oclock) positon-not through the 6 oclock position.

There is probably a valid reason-I would love to hear it.

I mixed on a harrison desk in a studio in the early 90's that had the upside down knobs. Don't remember the model but it was something big and cool.  It kinda hurt my brain to mix on that thing.

[Tom Burgess]

I, too, had an upside down knob experience in the late 80's on one of the Yamaha consoles.  I finally decided to look away from the knob after I got my fingers on it and pretend everything was right with the world.  The faders on that thing were awesome!  Still, it was such a departure from my trusty Series One Studiomaster that I was happy to not have to mix on one again.

[duane massey]

First console we ever built (early 70's) that had sliders had one "unique" feature: the sliders were wired so that you pulled DOWN to turn it up. We had never actually seen another console with sliders, and honestly didn't know any better. The first band to use it was Osibisa, and their engineer looked a little puzzled but got thru the night OK. He asked afterwards if this was a normal thing in the USA, and that was when we found out the rather embarrassing mistake we had made. I fixed it the next day.

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