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Thomas Le

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16 channels for drums?
« on: October 09, 2014, 02:27:52 pm »

Just hypothetical thinking, but if I were to come across a "super-kit" (kinda rare for a weekender), would 16 be overkill or not enough? What should I take out?

Here's what I came up with:

- kick out (beta 52a)
- kick in (beta 91a)
- kick subkick (generic woofer)
- HH (SM137)
- snare top (beta 56a)
- snare bottom (SM57)
- toms x4 (beta 56a)
- OH x2 (SM137)
- ride (SM137)
- perc sampler "Roland SPD like" (DI stereo feed)
- spare
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TJ (Tom) Cornish

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Re: 16 channels for drums?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2014, 03:15:44 pm »

Just hypothetical thinking, but if I were to come across a "super-kit" (kinda rare for a weekender), would 16 be overkill or not enough? What should I take out?

Here's what I came up with:

- kick out (beta 52a)
- kick in (beta 91a)
- kick subkick (generic woofer)
- HH (SM137)
- snare top (beta 56a)
- snare bottom (SM57)
- toms x4 (beta 56a)
- OH x2 (SM137)
- ride (SM137)
- perc sampler "Roland SPD like" (DI stereo feed)
- spare
If you were short channels, I'm pretty sure you could "skimp" and only have one kick mic and one snare mic.
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Tim Weaver

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Re: 16 channels for drums?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2014, 03:23:50 pm »

Just hypothetical thinking, but if I were to come across a "super-kit" (kinda rare for a weekender), would 16 be overkill or not enough? What should I take out?

Here's what I came up with:

- kick out (beta 52a)
- kick in (beta 91a)
- kick subkick (generic woofer)
- HH (SM137)
- snare top (beta 56a)
- snare bottom (SM57)
- toms x4 (beta 56a)
- OH x2 (SM137)
- ride (SM137)
- perc sampler "Roland SPD like" (DI stereo feed)
- spare

You're forgetting the second kick drum. No super kit is complete without it.
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Re: 16 channels for drums?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2014, 04:08:14 pm »

Just hypothetical thinking, but if I were to come across a "super-kit" (kinda rare for a weekender), would 16 be overkill or not enough? What should I take out?

Here's what I came up with:

- kick out (beta 52a)
- kick in (beta 91a)
- kick subkick (generic woofer)
- HH (SM137)
- snare top (beta 56a)
- snare bottom (SM57)
- toms x4 (beta 56a)
- OH x2 (SM137)
- ride (SM137)
- perc sampler "Roland SPD like" (DI stereo feed)
- spare

Personally, I would be inclined to skip the inner kick and whatever you have in mind with the subkick, under the snare and the ride mic. Now I have to admit, I'm not sure of all the issues you're thinking of here but to me, less is more. I did a number of events this summer using 4 mics on the kits. Two OH's, kick and an SDC splitting the snare and HH. The more I did it, the more I liked it.

Now of course that approach has it's limitations also (gating , comping not happening) But for the kits I worked with, it was easy and sounded very good.
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Milt Hathaway

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Re: 16 channels for drums?
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2014, 04:49:10 pm »

You're forgetting the second kick drum. No super kit is complete without it.

Not to mention the Roto-Toms and the gong.
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Steve M Smith

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Re: 16 channels for drums?
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2014, 04:57:52 pm »

Not to mention the Roto-Toms and the gong.

And... tubular bells!....


Steve.
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Steve Oldridge

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Re: 16 channels for drums?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2014, 05:01:59 pm »

And... tubular bells!....

So... who's mic'ing the rainstick?
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Re: 16 channels for drums?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2014, 05:04:25 pm »

Just hypothetical thinking, but if I were to come across a "super-kit" (kinda rare for a weekender), would 16 be overkill or not enough? What should I take out?

Here's what I came up with:

- kick out (beta 52a)
- kick in (beta 91a)
- kick subkick (generic woofer)
- HH (SM137)
- snare top (beta 56a)
- snare bottom (SM57)
- toms x4 (beta 56a)
- OH x2 (SM137)
- ride (SM137)
- perc sampler "Roland SPD like" (DI stereo feed)
- spare
I have never seen the need for-or gotten a decent sound out of a "sub kick".

It is always "mushy" with no impact-at least the couple of times I have tried.  So I gave up trying and just use regular mics and it works out much better-tighter ect.
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Chuck Simon

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Re: 16 channels for drums?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2014, 05:48:45 pm »

For me 16 mics on drums is a nightmare!  I have never seen the need for dual mics on the snare and kick.  Most gigs, the snare is the loudest thing in the room and gets picked up by every mic on stage!  Very often I end up turning down the snare mic completely. When it comes to mics, I am a believer in the "less is more" philosophy, but I do like the sound of close miced toms(Audix D2s).

Funny how so many soundmen act as if the drums are the most important part of the mix.  I have seen too many acts where the kick and snare were louder than the vocals.
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Re: 16 channels for drums?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2014, 06:05:13 pm »


Here's what I came up with:

- kick out (beta 52a)
- kick in (beta 91a)
- kick subkick (generic woofer)
- HH (SM137)
- snare top (beta 56a)
- snare bottom (SM57)
- toms x4 (beta 56a)
- OH x2 (SM137)
- ride (SM137)
- perc sampler "Roland SPD like" (DI stereo feed)
- spare

I can get it down to 11... double mic the toms and its 8...

- kick out (D6)
- snare top (Opus-88)
- toms x4 (D2/4)
- OH x2 (NT5)
- perc sampler "Roland SPD like" (DI stereo feed)

I've been doing a Beatles tribute thing with just an OH and kick, it works, but then that's the style.

Mike
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