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Artnet software - free options.
« on: July 11, 2014, 11:06:04 am »

I decided to go wifi wireless and just purchased the Enttec art net node to use with my router.
Checking out software programs, I was going to download Luminair -and still may do so - but it seems that there are so many features to the software that would go unused for my requirements so I am looking at other options for now.

I run sound for my husbands band and a couple of other local bands when he is not playing.
I have been using the iPad to mix more and more since I purchased the A & H QU16 because of the restrictions made in bars round here regarding running multicore and space restrictions.
I had been running lights as an added feature (I enjoy running them) with either a Chauvet Obey 10 or macbook running QLC until I went wireless with the sound.
I keep things very simple - no moving lights or effects - just washes at the front to light up the stage , light tree at the back for some color and set to chase, a few fast running sequences for solos etc and then I would manually blackout between songs.

So going wireless made sense so I can run sound from my iPad and lights from my iPad mini. Recently I have only been able to set up the lights for white light or continuous slow chase without being able to use the controller so I needed to do this.

Checking out the availability of software apps, I thought there would be more to choose from but a lot of the apps out there are to be used as remotes for other programs on the macbook. I wanted a stand alone controller -ipad only.

I have found 4 apps that will work. Luminar -$79.99, Lightingpad- $19.99, ArtNEtDmxRemote - free and Osram DMX WiFi Controller - free.
(I may still purchase Luminair but right now I have avoided doing so and I am enjoying playing with the free programs).

The one app called ArtNetDmxRemote works fairly well.  It found the Enttec immediately and was plug and play. However, it is extremely basic - even for my needs but fun to have on my phone as a back up. You cannot program scenes, just hit buttons for each channel (only 12).  Also, I wrote to the developer (twice) with a question regarding a $3.99 upgrade they offer because they give no details other than offering more channels,  but I never heard back.

The Osram app………….I had to change the IP address of the Enttec to make it work- apparently the other program did not require this -something to do with global settings????.
It is closer to what I need, the ability to program 30 scenes, fade/scene duration options etc but there were some things not quite right - loss of stored scenes at program close unless using double click,  slight response delay when scene selected, no blackout button on stored scene page, no master fader and some others. On the app settings page, there was a 'limited email support' address so I figured I'd contact the developer with some of my questions -I figured I had nothing to lose…..

Remember this is a free app.

To my surprise, this guy - John Selverian Phd has been totally responsive and helpful spending quite some time going back and forth with me on some of these issues. He has already sent updates to apple to make improvements to the app and continues to consider all my suggestions. It has been quite an interesting process and I love this kind of stuff so well worth spending the time.
Obviously he wants to be able to perfect the app so the company can start charging for it and he is going about things the right way.

Just wanted to throw this out there to give the guy a bit of a shout out for being so on top of things and of course to help out anyone wanting to dabble a bit before spending any money on software…..


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Re: Artnet software - free options.
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2014, 04:50:58 pm »

I decided to go wifi wireless and just purchased the Enttec art net node to use with my router.
Checking out software programs, I was going to download Luminair -and still may do so - but it seems that there are so many features to the software that would go unused for my requirements so I am looking at other options for now.

I run sound for my husbands band and a couple of other local bands when he is not playing.
I have been using the iPad to mix more and more since I purchased the A & H QU16 because of the restrictions made in bars round here regarding running multicore and space restrictions.
I had been running lights as an added feature (I enjoy running them) with either a Chauvet Obey 10 or macbook running QLC until I went wireless with the sound.
I keep things very simple - no moving lights or effects - just washes at the front to light up the stage , light tree at the back for some color and set to chase, a few fast running sequences for solos etc and then I would manually blackout between songs.

So going wireless made sense so I can run sound from my iPad and lights from my iPad mini. Recently I have only been able to set up the lights for white light or continuous slow chase without being able to use the controller so I needed to do this.

Checking out the availability of software apps, I thought there would be more to choose from but a lot of the apps out there are to be used as remotes for other programs on the macbook. I wanted a stand alone controller -ipad only.

I have found 4 apps that will work. Luminar -$79.99, Lightingpad- $19.99, ArtNEtDmxRemote - free and Osram DMX WiFi Controller - free.
(I may still purchase Luminair but right now I have avoided doing so and I am enjoying playing with the free programs).

The one app called ArtNetDmxRemote works fairly well.  It found the Enttec immediately and was plug and play. However, it is extremely basic - even for my needs but fun to have on my phone as a back up. You cannot program scenes, just hit buttons for each channel (only 12).  Also, I wrote to the developer (twice) with a question regarding a $3.99 upgrade they offer because they give no details other than offering more channels,  but I never heard back.

The Osram app………….I had to change the IP address of the Enttec to make it work- apparently the other program did not require this -something to do with global settings????.
It is closer to what I need, the ability to program 30 scenes, fade/scene duration options etc but there were some things not quite right - loss of stored scenes at program close unless using double click,  slight response delay when scene selected, no blackout button on stored scene page, no master fader and some others. On the app settings page, there was a 'limited email support' address so I figured I'd contact the developer with some of my questions -I figured I had nothing to lose…..

Remember this is a free app.

To my surprise, this guy - John Selverian Phd has been totally responsive and helpful spending quite some time going back and forth with me on some of these issues. He has already sent updates to apple to make improvements to the app and continues to consider all my suggestions. It has been quite an interesting process and I love this kind of stuff so well worth spending the time.
Obviously he wants to be able to perfect the app so the company can start charging for it and he is going about things the right way.

Just wanted to throw this out there to give the guy a bit of a shout out for being so on top of things and of course to help out anyone wanting to dabble a bit before spending any money on software…..

I would gladly pay for a good software program to run lights with an iPad. I am really surprised that none of these lighting companies have a "Light Show in a box", that can be easily set up to switch between a few programmed scenes, chases and blackout. My needs are very simple, but even using Luminaire I'm not sure I'd get what I want.

I purchased a remote for my ADJ lightbar, which has buttons for the solid colors (RBGA). They even have a video showing a guy with the remote, and when he uses those buttons you can't see what he is doing. Well that is because those buttons require you to deactivate the previous color, then using the up/down arrows you set the intensity. So this is not on the fly - useless in my opinion.

My new plan for now is to have all my LED lights set to run on sound activate mode, and simlpy turn them off or on with a RF receptacle remote like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064PKG3Q/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If someone ever does produce a really good iPad light controller, I would be thrilled with the following options for playback:
8-16 buttons for pre-programmed scenes. When you push a new button, the currently active scene goes off.
8 buttons of pre-programmed chase
1 Slider for fade rate of scenes
1 Master Slider

Jeeze - that's not really asking that much!
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2014, 05:21:24 pm »

If someone ever does produce a really good iPad light controller, I would be thrilled with the following options for playback:
8-16 buttons for pre-programmed scenes. When you push a new button, the currently active scene goes off.
8 buttons of pre-programmed chase
1 Slider for fade rate of scenes
1 Master Slider

Jeeze - that's not really asking that much!

Well I made an iOS app for a school project last fall as my senior project in college. I might take a look at making such an app. No guarantees though... The UI would be pretty simple and providing I can figure out how to interface with ArtNet I might can make it work without too much trouble; I've been trying to find a programing project to spend a little time on.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2014, 05:31:21 pm »

I would gladly pay for a good software program to run lights with an iPad. I am really surprised that none of these lighting companies have a "Light Show in a box", that can be easily set up to switch between a few programmed scenes, chases and blackout. My needs are very simple, but even using Luminaire I'm not sure I'd get what I want.

I purchased a remote for my ADJ lightbar, which has buttons for the solid colors (RBGA). They even have a video showing a guy with the remote, and when he uses those buttons you can't see what he is doing. Well that is because those buttons require you to deactivate the previous color, then using the up/down arrows you set the intensity. So this is not on the fly - useless in my opinion.

My new plan for now is to have all my LED lights set to run on sound activate mode, and simlpy turn them off or on with a RF receptacle remote like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064PKG3Q/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If someone ever does produce a really good iPad light controller, I would be thrilled with the following options for playback:
8-16 buttons for pre-programmed scenes. When you push a new button, the currently active scene goes off.
8 buttons of pre-programmed chase
1 Slider for fade rate of scenes
1 Master Slider

Jeeze - that's not really asking that much!

Ah ha…so its not just me then !!! I don't understand why this simple requirement is not well supported. I agree I would pay happily for an iPad app suited to a nice simple playback flow.
I also found that there are very few players out there when it comes to  affordable artnet adapters.  Enttec seems to have the corner on the market. There are a couple of units made in and shipped from China. Other than that - not much out there and not all 'plug and play'.
Well I made an iOS app for a school project last fall as my senior project in college. I might take a look at making such an app. No guarantees though... The UI would be pretty simple and providing I can figure out how to interface with ArtNet I might can make it work without too much trouble; I've been trying to find a programing project to spend a little time on.

Now you're talking - go for it….I'd try it out !!! Seriously, there must be some money to be made here?
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2014, 06:43:38 pm »

I would gladly pay for a good software program to run lights with an iPad. I am really surprised that none of these lighting companies have a "Light Show in a box", that can be easily set up to switch between a few programmed scenes, chases and blackout. My needs are very simple, but even using Luminaire I'm not sure I'd get what I want.

I purchased a remote for my ADJ lightbar, which has buttons for the solid colors (RBGA). They even have a video showing a guy with the remote, and when he uses those buttons you can't see what he is doing. Well that is because those buttons require you to deactivate the previous color, then using the up/down arrows you set the intensity. So this is not on the fly - useless in my opinion.

My new plan for now is to have all my LED lights set to run on sound activate mode, and simlpy turn them off or on with a RF receptacle remote like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064PKG3Q/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If someone ever does produce a really good iPad light controller, I would be thrilled with the following options for playback:
8-16 buttons for pre-programmed scenes. When you push a new button, the currently active scene goes off.
8 buttons of pre-programmed chase
1 Slider for fade rate of scenes
1 Master Slider

Jeeze - that's not really asking that much!



Oh yes….good idea on the remote switches….simple but effective !
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2014, 03:03:01 pm »

If someone ever does produce a really good iPad light controller, I would be thrilled with the following options for playback:
8-16 buttons for pre-programmed scenes. When you push a new button, the currently active scene goes off.
8 buttons of pre-programmed chase
1 Slider for fade rate of scenes
1 Master Slider

Jeeze - that's not really asking that much!

Luminair does all of that and then some. 

You can add dozens of scenes - there may not even be a limit, I'm not sure
Chases would be accomplished with 'stacks' mode.  You can add as many scenes as you'd like to a 'stack'.  Stacks can be sound active or time based chases with adjustable fade time as well. 
There is no slider for the fade rate of stacks, but you can tap the tempo in manually to change it, or you can build multiple versions of the same stack with different fade rates.
There is a master fader as well as a master blackout. 

In my opinion it doesn't get any simpler or better for under $400.  The app is $99 and the Enttec interface is about $260. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2014, 03:46:44 pm »

Luminair does all of that and then some. 

You can add dozens of scenes - there may not even be a limit, I'm not sure
Chases would be accomplished with 'stacks' mode.  You can add as many scenes as you'd like to a 'stack'.  Stacks can be sound active or time based chases with adjustable fade time as well. 
There is no slider for the fade rate of stacks, but you can tap the tempo in manually to change it, or you can build multiple versions of the same stack with different fade rates.
There is a master fader as well as a master blackout. 

In my opinion it doesn't get any simpler or better for under $400.  The app is $99 and the Enttec interface is about $260.

I should at least give it a try I suppose….just didn't want to spend $99 ($79 for the iPad)  and hardly use any of the functionality of the program. I wish there was a free trial or something and that way I could give it a try...
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2014, 04:21:48 pm »

I should at least give it a try I suppose….just didn't want to spend $99 ($79 for the iPad)  and hardly use any of the functionality of the program. I wish there was a free trial or something and that way I could give it a try...
Yeah, Apple really needs to implement some kind of trial system for apps. On Android you can get a refund for an app if want up to 15 minutes after purchase. Not a lot of time but it is enough to see if something works for you well enough to buy. I would think that Apple could very easily implement some kind of 30 minute app test drive feature that app developers could turn on. It would be very good for expensive apps; it would also be great on the Mac App Store. :-)

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2014, 09:32:18 am »

Yeah, Apple really needs to implement some kind of trial system for apps. On Android you can get a refund for an app if want up to 15 minutes after purchase. Not a lot of time but it is enough to see if something works for you well enough to buy. I would think that Apple could very easily implement some kind of 30 minute app test drive feature that app developers could turn on. It would be very good for expensive apps; it would also be great on the Mac App Store. :-)

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That makes so much sense to me and I bet it would translate into many more app sales in the long run. especially to those folks unsure like me.

Anyway….I test drove one of the free apps last night and although it was basic, I had a blast!!! No problems with the wi-fi.
I used a separate router than the one I use for my QU16 as I had read somewhere that it would be best not putting sound and lights through the same router. Didn't want to take the risk of using the same one (don't know enough about it) and used an old Linksys that I had from years ago . 
The band thought it was the coolest thing and so did many of the audience members.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2014, 01:50:43 pm »

That makes so much sense to me and I bet it would translate into many more app sales in the long run. especially to those folks unsure like me.

Anyway….I test drove one of the free apps last night and although it was basic, I had a blast!!! No problems with the wi-fi.
I used a separate router than the one I use for my QU16 as I had read somewhere that it would be best not putting sound and lights through the same router. Didn't want to take the risk of using the same one (don't know enough about it) and used an old Linksys that I had from years ago . 
The band thought it was the coolest thing and so did many of the audience members.

Good to hear - keep us posted. I'd be interested in hearing what lights you use as well.
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