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[Gary Creely]

If I were competing directly with Behringer I'd want to be Yamaha or a similar company. It will take good design and cost effective manufacturing. Yamaha is not a stranger to either.

Yamaha did not stay in business for hundreds of years by giving up markets they pioneered (like digital mixers).

Just sayin... not predicting.

JR

Another interesting point here is that Yamaha already does compete with behringer in the low-end analog market.


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[Christian Tepfer]

My bet is on a PMxD series replacement.

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[Mac Kerr]

My bet is on a PMxD series replacement.

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Here's hoping…

Mac

[Bob Leonard]

Here's hoping…

Mac

Maybe a newer PMx series starting with a$3K board. For sure though they have to compete at the lower level. It's not a question of will they or should they, just a question of when, and that time is coming.

[John Roberts {JR}]

This x1,000...If there is any company in the pro audio (and pro music) industry that can take on Behrigner/Music Group, it IS Yamaha, and I'm pretty sure their plan involves cost effective products that have a quality that Behringer can't even come close to.

We have a tendency to confuse quality and features. Many things that professionals consider as markers of quality, are just features that professionals are willing to pay extra for.

I suspect a competitive response from Yamaha to say the X32 mixer will be more similar than different, as defined by chips used inside, etc. The Yamaha brand seems to be highly regarded, as long as we conveniently forget about the Yamaha value offerings. 

JR

[Bill Schnake]

Well for my two cents, I would like to see Yamaha come out with something in a 40 - 48 channel that would replace the M7.  Updated electronics, better preamps, with a touch screen.  I have used the SC48 and X32 using layers so it wouldn't bother me a bit to have a Yamaha the size of an SC48 with 48 channels.  It would be nice if they would update the Rack from 8 to 16 effects.  I know it's starting to sound a lot like the CL Series.

Bill   

[jason misterka]

Well for my two cents, I would like to see Yamaha come out with something in a 40 - 48 channel that would replace the M7.  Updated electronics, better preamps, with a touch screen.  I have used the SC48 and X32 using layers so it wouldn't bother me a bit to have a Yamaha the size of an SC48 with 48 channels.  It would be nice if they would update the Rack from 8 to 16 effects.  I know it's starting to sound a lot like the CL Series.

Bill   

Yeah, actually I would be happy with a Midas-style price drop on the CL consoles, that would get them in the ballpark   Well, that's because I'm buying and not selling right now...

Otherwise, even for a CL1 with a 32 channel box, I believe you are looking at significantly over $15,000.  Not quite the LS9-32 replacement for our B and C systems.

Jason

 

[Milt Hathaway]

I know it's starting to sound a lot like the CL Series.

Bill   

Yup, that's a CL1. Only 8 slots in the effects rack still, but you add 2 separate EQ racks and the Premium rack. Priced with a Rio3224 + Rio1608 is about the same as the 48 channel M7CL.

Operationally and audibly it is an improvement on the M7CL, even before you begin populating the Premium rack. Plus YMMV but I can lift CL1 on and off a table myself when necessary.

[Chris Johnson [UK]]

Unfortunately CLs are too expensive IMO.

They are the right direction for Yamaha, and price aside, replace both the M7 and 5D lines quite nicely with a system that sounds good, is physically compact, and has a broad feature set.

But Japanese manufacturing is expensive, hence the price of the CL. Even the M7s list price today is more than it was when it came out!

[Gary Creely]

Unfortunately CLs are too expensive

I would definitely agree. There are just too many good choices out there at those price points and lower, many of which are better products in my opinion.





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