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Sebastian Vidales

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MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« on: March 06, 2014, 09:03:54 am »

Hi Everyone!

Im actually designing a system for a big festival with few  headliners bringing on their own consoles for FOH.
The festival is providing 2 desks both digital with their own stage rack.
Any ideas on how to setup a system where extra consoles can be hooked up into the system?
Connecting them into other consoles is not an option, and the PA system has no processor,all of the processing is done by the digital amps.

Thanks four your thoughts!
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Josh Hana

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Re: MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2014, 09:16:29 am »

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Re: MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2014, 09:29:44 am »

If you have something like a Midas Venice, that will usually work as a "matrix console", where all the boards are fed into that, along with any MC mics or DJs. We've used a Venice32 for this, Midas also has a rackmount matrix console that does exactly this. The other option is something like an APB MixSwitch which is very common for this application.

Regardless of what option you choose, I would highly recommend figuring out a way to get networking to FOH, with a company provided laptop that will live there for the duration of the show. It's important to have control of the system processing on a show like this, if only for monitoring.
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Re: MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2014, 10:11:20 am »

The festival is providing 2 desks both digital with their own stage rack.
Any ideas on how to setup a system where extra consoles can be hooked up into the system?
Connecting them into other consoles is not an option, and the PA system has no processor,all of the processing is done by the digital amps.

The last festival we did we used a Dolby Lake DLP as the matrix between a pair of house VI6 consoles and a Yamaha LS9 as the presenter console with announcer microphones and DJ playback. Each of the VI6's fed Left / Right / Sub to the DLP and the LS9 just fed Left and Right. If we needed to feed a guest console in we unplugged one of the VI inputs. The outputs of the DLP then fed the rest of the system as usual.

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Re: MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2014, 10:12:43 am »

We usually use a Midas XL88 matrix mixer for this. That way you can have 8 outputs fed from multiple consoles - typically we have House console L/R/Sub, Visiting console L/R/Sub, and then a Playback console (like a small Venice or EPM6, with music, video, emergency announcements, and so on) as a straight L/R.

I'd like to find a larger Matrix mixer, or one which has digital in/out as well as analogue, so that we can deal with whatever the visiting console wants.

The beauty of the XL88 is that it's really easy to re-configure if the visiting console only wants straight L/R, or any other combination. Plus they still have local control of all the zones fed from the Matrix mixer locally.
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Re: MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2014, 10:51:08 am »

I have seen everything from XL88, Meyer Galileo 616, Dolby Lake on some of the larger festivals.

I have been using an Ashly ne24.24m quite a bit lately, it is the most flexible solution I have found. I typically carry an 8x16, 12x12, or 16x8 depending on how many console will be used at one time. The only downfall is no digital IO at this point so it adds another stage of A/D and D/A to the signal chain.
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Re: MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2014, 11:39:56 am »

Thanks all of you guys for the insight and your very valuable opinion,

I think I found a one size fits all solution, the thing is I don't now if the production can afford it :'(

http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/print/an_engine_driving_i_o_innovation

I've just imagined something like this based on Dante, with a input module at FOH prepared to received any type of signal (analogue/digital) and break out boxes to the system. Since its going to be d&B so there's no processor in the system by default.

The meyer galilego 616 is also an option and maybe the most probable one, since the vendor also owns a couple.

I'll keep giving it some thought and will keep you guys posted

Thanks again for sahring
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Re: MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2014, 12:31:46 pm »

Nothing wrong with a DME, but they are very long in the tooth now!

If you wan't a rackmount matrix, I'd personally do this on Soundweb(s) / Symetrix boxes. They'll do whatever you wan't. They can even do the presenter job as well if you like. Lake's are cool, but unless you need the Mesa EQ, a soundweb will do a heck of a lot more for the same (or maybe less) money. Its also easy to have a pair providing redundancy.

Audio architect lets you build really detailed PC or Ipad control pages that can include mixing functionality, So if you've just got a pair of pres handhelds and a CD, you can forgo the third console
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Re: MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2014, 01:55:47 pm »

Has anyone used a DME with the Lake-card(s)?
« Last Edit: March 06, 2014, 02:02:39 pm by Jelmer de Jong »
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Re: MULTIPLE CONSOLE SETUP FOR FESTIVAL FOH
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2014, 03:57:33 pm »

Hi Everyone!

Im actually designing a system for a big festival with few  headliners bringing on their own consoles for FOH.
The festival is providing 2 desks both digital with their own stage rack.
Any ideas on how to setup a system where extra consoles can be hooked up into the system?
Connecting them into other consoles is not an option, and the PA system has no processor,all of the processing is done by the digital amps.

Thanks four your thoughts!

And this is exactly where I want my imaginary new Midas product.

Basically an X32 rack mount with AES3 and AES50 and 16 analog mic/line inputs, and AES3 and analog outputs with a Dante IO option. 

But made by Midas so I was allowed to use it in arenas :)

IPad and front panel control. Plug  your MC, video, and playback directly in, along with two or three other consoles.

If I dream it they will make it...

Jason
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