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[Ivan Beaver]

Actually I forgot about the sm100f. That may fit my needs a little better with the added low frequency response. Same output levels and same price if I remember right on the price.

THE SM80 will get louder than the SM100F.  The SM100F has a wider coverage and goes lower.

If you are using subs-I doubt you will need the extra bass response of the 100F.

Yes the Sm80 "appears" to roll off hinda high.  HOWEVER it is a sealed box-so the rolloff is half as steep as a ported box.

Also when you consider that the ACOUSTIC crossover is often much higher than the electrical-the sub and the SM80 work just fine together.

The things I would let govern the choice between them are: Price-output capability-coverage pattern needed and possibly physical size

We will be glad to do a free 3D model of your room to check the coverage if you want with both models.

Contact [email protected] for this.

[David Hoover]

THE SM80 will get louder than the SM100F.  The SM100F has a wider coverage and goes lower.

If you are using subs-I doubt you will need the extra bass response of the 100F.

Yes the Sm80 "appears" to roll off hinda high.  HOWEVER it is a sealed box-so the rolloff is half as steep as a ported box.

Also when you consider that the ACOUSTIC crossover is often much higher than the electrical-the sub and the SM80 work just fine together.

The things I would let govern the choice between them are: Price-output capability-coverage pattern needed and possibly physical size

We will be glad to do a free 3D model of your room to check the coverage if you want with both models.

Contact [email protected] for this.

Ivan,

Thanks so much for the help.  I have really been researching the heck out of my options.  It looks like the best option is for me to go with the two SM80 cabinets for our setup.  Once I sell some equipment, I will be checking out some SM80 demos and purchasing.  I have a good friend that works with a large company near me that I have been talking to about the SM80s.  He said that if he doesn't "have" to put certain speakers in a venue based on a customer's request, he always recommends Danley.  Pretty cool.  When I talk to Chad or hear from you, or hear from my friend, you all say the same thing.  Cool to have continuity here.

And thanks everyone!  Hopefully I will be going through with this upgrade in a couple months time.  The only issue it raises for the future is: how will I go about my subwoofer upgrade? haha...

[Ivan Beaver]

Ivan,

Thanks so much for the help.  I have really been researching the heck out of my options.  It looks like the best option is for me to go with the two SM80 cabinets for our setup.  Once I sell some equipment, I will be checking out some SM80 demos and purchasing.  I have a good friend that works with a large company near me that I have been talking to about the SM80s.  He said that if he doesn't "have" to put certain speakers in a venue based on a customer's request, he always recommends Danley.  Pretty cool.  When I talk to Chad or hear from you, or hear from my friend, you all say the same thing.  Cool to have continuity here.

And thanks everyone!  Hopefully I will be going through with this upgrade in a couple months time.  The only issue it raises for the future is: how will I go about my subwoofer upgrade? haha...

Keep us informed

[David Hoover]

Keep us informed

Will a bridged XTI1000 per SM80 set me up well with these?  I already have one XTI1000 and two XTI2000's.  I was looking into getting another XTI1000 to have one per side.  I was trying to stick with the XTI's because I have 3 already.  They were the best thing for me a few years ago when they came out.

[Ivan Beaver]

Will a bridged XTI1000 per SM80 set me up well with these?  I already have one XTI1000 and two XTI2000's.  I was looking into getting another XTI1000 to have one per side.  I was trying to stick with the XTI's because I have 3 already.  They were the best thing for me a few years ago when they came out.

That would be a decent sized amp to use.

It is also not a bad idea to use all the same amps-if you need to swap around it is easier.

It also makes the racks look nicer-balanced.

[David Hoover]

That would be a decent sized amp to use.

It is also not a bad idea to use all the same amps-if you need to swap around it is easier.

It also makes the racks look nicer-balanced.

If decent, then would getting another XTI2002 be better and have 2 XTI 2002 amps for them? The reply sounded as if it might be better to have a bit more amp. Thanks!

[Ivan Beaver]

If decent, then would getting another XTI2002 be better and have 2 XTI 2002 amps for them? The reply sounded as if it might be better to have a bit more amp. Thanks!

This is where it gets a bit "interesting".

The Sm80 is not a 8 ohm cabinet.  That is simply the nearest "standard" number.

It is more like a 10-12 ohm cabinet.  The higher impedance is due to the crossover and the horn loaded applied to the driver.

So the actual wattage figures published are true-they are a bit low for what would be a 10-12 ohm cabinet.  We are going to change that soon.

So if looking for an amp that can produce that power into an 8 ohm load-it would have to be more powerful to produce the same wattage into the actual higher impedance.

ie: more voltage swing.

We do events all the time with amps that are in the 1400-1500 watt range @ 8 ohms and run them hard and are fine.

So having a little bit of extra is not a bad idea.

Is the price worth a couple of dB extra? that is up to you.

I hope this makes sense.

[David Hoover]

This is where it gets a bit "interesting".

The Sm80 is not a 8 ohm cabinet.  That is simply the nearest "standard" number.

It is more like a 10-12 ohm cabinet.  The higher impedance is due to the crossover and the horn loaded applied to the driver.

So the actual wattage figures published are true-they are a bit low for what would be a 10-12 ohm cabinet.  We are going to change that soon.

So if looking for an amp that can produce that power into an 8 ohm load-it would have to be more powerful to produce the same wattage into the actual higher impedance.

ie: more voltage swing.

We do events all the time with amps that are in the 1400-1500 watt range @ 8 ohms and run them hard and are fine.

So having a little bit of extra is not a bad idea.

Is the price worth a couple of dB extra? that is up to you.

I hope this makes sense.

Definitely makes sense.  Thanks for the advice!

[David Hoover]

Definitely makes sense.  Thanks for the advice!

I took the plunge and bought two Danley SM80 speakers.  I am bridging one XTI1000 per speaker.  I have tested them out a little, but I will put them to the real test this weekend.  I have a full band with a large set of songs outdoors.  I can't really voice much about them yet until I mix on them in the same setting (outdoors) and same band as with my other speakers. 

However, I did pull up a recording at our church from our Venue and did a quick mix.  We had drums, bass, 2 keys, 2 elec guit, 4 vocs.  I am so surprised at the warmth these speakers have.  Small cabinets typically end up with the tweeter outrunning the woofer in my experience.  Not so here.  It was full and clean.  It lacked harmonic distortion I am used to hearing.  I brought it up to a light clip on the XTI1000's and the speakers were totally happy.  They are getting 1000RMS a piece.  Ivan is right when he said they can handle a 1600 watt amp at 8 ohms.  1000W was easy for them with a band.  Upon first use, I have to say they sound like an in between category between a rear loaded full horn Danley and a traditional speaker.  The rear loaded Danley boxes I have heard a slightly cleaner.  For how small these things are though - I haven't heard anything better yet I don't think.  Very nice dynamic box and great separation.  My mix was around low 100's dBC at 60ft maybe a little more.  I am excited to mix outside on them this Sunday.  I will shoot out another update. 

Thanks to Danley for getting them here for Easter!  My company did a fantastic Easter sunrise service of about 700 people with the new speakers.

Take Care

[David Hoover]

I just ran an outdoor set with 18 songs over a large area. I was about 60 feet away and the speakers were about 60 or so feet apart as well. Initially setting the EQ was easy. I believe I took out a little from the 400 to 900 area, a 2k dip, and a 7k dip. I did a small high shelf from 10k to 20k because of the distance we were throwing (probably 150+ feet) to compensate for the loss I heard. I am so used to tweaking even during sound check because most speakers change in how they sound as output increases. Not so here. I never had to touch the EQ after the band was up. The drums sounded outstanding. It was as if the kit was just louder. Thats how natural they sound. Its like wow I am tweaking to mix not to get it to sound good because of the speakers. Electric and  bass guitars sounded just like their amps (bass was direct). All the warmth and clarity preserved. The vocals were defined. After only needing minor EQ tweaks for the band and a little vocal compression, I was impressed. I haven't ran a system in my 8 years of pro audio that was that easy to get a great mix on. Coverage was even and didn't spill over. I could hear way up in the 15k range well which I am not used to hearing. That 10k to 20k area just does it for me because it makes vocals and cymbals sound REAL.  I had people that come to our church services all the time tell me at the event that it sounds way better.  So I am using inexpensive O1V, XTI amps, and it is sounding  better than a much larger rig and getting just as loud. I ran out of output on subs and behold I was at -10dB on my speakers.  What impressed me most were these speaker's ability to reproduce the warmth area with authority. The woofer was keeping up with the tweeter. I could feel the snare in the ground and on a low song the vocals, too.  All the way to the 110Hz crossover is solid midbass.  I can't wait to mix on the SH96's going in for the school where we have church. Should be awesome! 

PS - I am using Heil PR35 and Audix VX5 vocal mics as well as CAD M179 on guitar.

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