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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2013, 07:38:34 pm »

There will be a "great analogue revival", but trying remain an analogue company while waiting for the nostalgia fad to hit... it will be a competitive disadvantage.

By and large digital mixing is getting better and easier.  Time to keep up with the kids, I think. :)

Have fun, good luck.

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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2013, 08:21:12 pm »

My choice is APB or Soundcraft, followed by Midas, and there will always be a time and place for a high quality analog console.
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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2013, 09:02:02 pm »

There will be a "great analogue revival", but trying remain an analogue company while waiting for the nostalgia fad to hit... it will be a competitive disadvantage.

By and large digital mixing is getting better and easier.  Time to keep up with the kids, I think. :)

Have fun, good luck.

Tim Mc

I have an analog revival every show I do..LOL. But I'll use way less comps n gates.
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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2013, 10:56:11 pm »

Crest X-VCA. Great small layout. Great EQ right above the faders. VCA's that can control channels and groups. Good comps on all subgroups for parallel processing. Mono out with full parametric EQ, as well as full EQ on L/R out. Used for year's with no FOH graphic.
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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2013, 11:40:46 pm »

Crest X-VCA. Great small layout. Great EQ right above the faders. VCA's that can control channels and groups. Good comps on all subgroups for parallel processing. Mono out with full parametric EQ, as well as full EQ on L/R out. Used for year's with no FOH graphic.

I have the X8-HS. I love it. Going to use it one more year before I go  digital
 And I use the onboard parametric as well. No other EQ's are needed
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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2013, 12:36:01 am »

My choice is APB or Soundcraft, followed by Midas, and there will always be a time and place for a high quality analog console.

+1 Mr. Leonard!
 Before we become too enamored w/ being thoroughly modern technocrats we should remember how digital mixers work.
Take some pristine ANALOGUE sound and chop it into millions of bits. Now re-assemble those millions of pieces BACK into ANALOGUE sound. Now believe it's better because hey, it's  Digital, it's NEW and it's Hi-tech. 

Soundmen! Do you have enough headaches and problems? No? here's your chance to add buggy software, compatibility issues and hard drive failures and software crashes to your list. Don't miss it! Did I mention this is all available at only 3 to 10 x the cost!? Yippee.
Of coarse you will be able to save scenes with variable results and spend 3 days with a manual trying to figure out how to patch a 1/3 octave eq across an aux out. Fun. fun. fun.
One of the most positive results of all this is when you realize that if you have the network skills to get a tablet wi-fi'd into a computer/mixer software working dependably you could probly get an I T job that pays about 5 times what being a soundman does. Hmmm. scratch, scratch.

Maidson lives in Haiti which is a tropical climate. His sound systems move at parade pace on a big flatbed truck through the crowded streets of Haiti during Carnivale powered by a big ass generator. Not sure that's the kind of environment I'd recommend a big digital mixer for.
The day will come when digital mixers are solving more problems than they create.   Still too close to 50/50 on that for me.
  I understand with many situations "cool factor" is paramount and in a large metro area you gotta have a digital desk.  In smaller market areas of America and out on the frontiers of the third world it's a little different. Analogue consoles like Maidson mentioned still sound wonderful and dependability will likely not be an issue until looong after the mixer has earned it's investment back! Buy a digital board if you want but if you listen carefully you might hear laughter from corporate types who know what planned obsolescense means. (It means they'll have a good bit more of your money soon for the upgrade) Ha Ha.  (end rant)
Oh yeah, my choice for mixer. #1 APB unsurpassed dependability.
#2 Midas.  Mixed on a Verona for 3 years in a Casino. Never a single problem. lovely feature set. -and the prestige of a Midas.  I heard NO better sound  from any of the 3 or 4 acts that brought in whatever big new digital desk they were traveling with.       #3 A&H  Great sound, great feature set, dependable and reasonable price.    #4  Soundcraft  Great sound, great feature set, sexy looks, reasonable price.  Happy sailing! 
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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2013, 01:12:19 am »

Before we become too enamored w/ being thoroughly modern technocrats we should remember how digital mixers work.
Take some pristine ANALOGUE sound and chop it into millions of bits. Now re-assemble those millions of pieces BACK into ANALOGUE sound. Now believe it's better because hey, it's  Digital, it's NEW and it's Hi-tech. 

A bit more about how they really work.

http://youtu.be/cIQ9IXSUzuM

An excellent overview of the A to D and D to A process.

I agree with you that a tropical climate and potentially unregulated generator power are not the greatest compliment to a digital console.


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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2013, 03:18:41 am »

A&H GL 2800. how many inputs do you need ? how many aux do you need ? how many monitor sends do you need ? the GL2800 has 8 aux sends that can be switched and used as monitor sends.< this is what you use to determine the size of the mixer. the size of the crowd and weather its indoors or outside determins how many amps and speakers you need not the type or size of the mixer. i like analog mixers.
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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2013, 05:17:39 am »

There will be a "great analogue revival"

There are some similarities with the audio world and the photographic world.  Whilst the mainstream dumps analogue to go digital, the old but perfectly usable analog equipment becomes available for a fraction of its earlier value.

This would explain why I now own about seventy film cameras, some of which I could only dream about owning a few years ago.  Likewise, I have a friend who has been putting off going digital for sound as he keeps getting good bargains on older equipment.  His current FOH desk is an A & H ML3000 (which I enjoyed using recently) which is fine (apart from weighing as much as ten digital desks).

Film photography is having a bit of a revival with film manufacturers reporting increasing sales over the last few years.  It's not going to be mainstream again but is maintainable at its current levels.

It is likely that a small percentage of audio people will return to analogue too. Just because they want to.


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Re: Which analog console would you like to see at FOH ( Medium Show) today ?
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2013, 11:32:23 am »

There are some similarities with the audio world and the photographic world.  Whilst the mainstream dumps analogue to go digital, the old but perfectly usable analog equipment becomes available for a fraction of its earlier value.

This would explain why I now own about seventy film cameras, some of which I could only dream about owning a few years ago.  Likewise, I have a friend who has been putting off going digital for sound as he keeps getting good bargains on older equipment.  His current FOH desk is an A & H ML3000 (which I enjoyed using recently) which is fine (apart from weighing as much as ten digital desks).

Film photography is having a bit of a revival with film manufacturers reporting increasing sales over the last few years.  It's not going to be mainstream again but is maintainable at its current levels.

It is likely that a small percentage of audio people will return to analogue too. Just because they want to.


Steve.

This says it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdc-OfFPVKs
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