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Dave Gunnell

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New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« on: November 15, 2013, 09:04:11 pm »

Hi Everyone:

It looks like we’re picking up a new CL5 this month (have you seen the deals Yamaha is offering?  Wow…), so I’m now working on the flight case design.  I’ve never built a case with a nosecone before, but they seem pretty popular.  I’m assuming the allure of the nosecone design is based on reduced lid weight and ease of access to the front underside of the board during use.  Are there any downsides I need to think about?  Anything else I should consider?

The CL5 is not a big board, so I’m not overly concerned about weight—just want to think any pros and cons through.

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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2013, 10:52:15 pm »

Never built one, so I can't really comment on that process, but in my experience as the end user, nosecone style cases really help when working in tight spaces.

I frequently work a 1300 cap theatre with a small FOH kill among some seats, about 14' wide by 7' deep. The weight reduction and lack of a front edge to catch on the console/doghouse/etc makes lifting the lid up and off towards the rear of the console an easier process.

The nosecone cases require less labor to lid and de-lid.  I'm much more likely to feel comfortable with 2 or 3 people on the task instead of the usual man-at-each-corner lift with a top/bottom console lid. 

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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2013, 11:19:38 pm »

Hi Everyone:

It looks like we’re picking up a new CL5 this month (have you seen the deals Yamaha is offering?  Wow…), so I’m now working on the flight case design.  I’ve never built a case with a nosecone before, but they seem pretty popular.  I’m assuming the allure of the nosecone design is based on reduced lid weight and ease of access to the front underside of the board during use.  Are there any downsides I need to think about?  Anything else I should consider?

The CL5 is not a big board, so I’m not overly concerned about weight—just want to think any pros and cons through.

Thanks.

Dave

The CL-5 is a small console, I would get a doghouse that attaches to the console, and then just take it out of the case entirely to use it. A non nose cone case will cost less and weigh less. It is no harder to store the whole case during the show then the lid and nose cone. The doghouse that MT Cases make are nice.

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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2013, 03:36:15 am »

Personally not a fan of nosecone cases. I like to store all my gak in the tray under the front of the console.
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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2013, 05:29:05 am »

Hi Everyone:

It looks like we’re picking up a new CL5 this month (have you seen the deals Yamaha is offering?  Wow…), so I’m now working on the flight case design.  I’ve never built a case with a nosecone before, but they seem pretty popular.  I’m assuming the allure of the nosecone design is based on reduced lid weight and ease of access to the front underside of the board during use.  Are there any downsides I need to think about?  Anything else I should consider?

The CL5 is not a big board, so I’m not overly concerned about weight—just want to think any pros and cons through.

Thanks.

Dave

I like "nosecone"-style cases for several reasons, and here are some:

1).  I've spent too much time in discomfort leaning my arms or hands on flightcase rails of some sort. 

2).  When setting the mixer on an "easytilt" and working on a bar-stool or on a chair, I can "get in under" the case with my legs without touching the flightcase.

3).  On "tall" mixers like the CL5, M7CL, DM 2000, there is just so much wasted case space over the fader tray.  I usually install a locker or compartment of sorts in this area, and having a nose-cone, I can access this compartment while the mixer is sitting upright on it's wheels in the shop.  This means some of the usual "doghouse stuff" can be stored out of the doghouse, giving me a smaller doghouse AND that stuff can be moved more easily between mixers, if needed.

PS: Install the flightcase butterfly locks for the nosecone with the latch part of the lock on the nosecone, not on the main case tray/lid.  The latches seem to catch onto everything when trying to slide the mixer up onto a table or a case, it's better for them to "disappear" with the noscone first.

PPS:  Install some extra handles on the nosecone, makes it easier for one person to remove it during shop prep, and they are great lashing points for keeping the desk upright in a truck.

PPP:  If you do install a compartment over the fader tray:  Let's just say you want to make sure it doesn't ever come undone and smash onto the control surface in transit...
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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2013, 09:44:24 am »

Our CL5 lives in an excellent MT case with a nosecone.  The console sits on a plywood tray that is also the floor of the doghouse.  The console is light enough that the tray with the doghouse and console can be lifted out by two people and put on a standard table.  Great for corporate gigs where the producer doesn't want to see the ugly road case fittings.  I had the CL5 demo console in its R&R case and still prefer  the MT case.  The high rise of the display wall above the fader surface affords plenty of room for some storage slots in the main lid if needed, something I didn't think about until after we received the case.

It looks like we’re picking up a new CL5 this month (have you seen the deals Yamaha is offering?  Wow…), so I’m now working on the flight case design. ...

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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2013, 12:01:51 pm »

Our CL5 lives in an excellent MT case with a nosecone.  The console sits on a plywood tray that is also the floor of the doghouse.  The console is light enough that the tray with the doghouse and console can be lifted out by two people and put on a standard table.  Great for corporate gigs where the producer doesn't want to see the ugly road case fittings.  I had the CL5 demo console in its R&R case and still prefer  the MT case.  The high rise of the display wall above the fader surface affords plenty of room for some storage slots in the main lid if needed, something I didn't think about until after we received the case.

That's exactly the case I like for a CL. It is so much neater to just lift the console and doghouse out of the case and not have any case at FOH.

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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2013, 07:06:09 am »

That's exactly the case I like for a CL. It is so much neater to just lift the console and doghouse out of the case and not have any case at FOH.

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In a setting where the mixer is set up and used for some time, It's really neat to lift out the "tray" for a nice, clean look.

But for people running in and out of clubs, etc, with very little time to spare, it's a hassle to "tilt" the mixer, get help to lift the "tray" out, place it onto something else like an extra table or extra easy-tilt you have to to bring, and then reversing the process after the show.
For those people it's easier to just tilt the mixer, "strip it" and then leave the top of the case+ the noscone assembeled next to the desk as a barrier or work surface next to the tech.  Those top+noscone cases make a great spot to stick personal stuff like jackets, shoes and backpacks, anyways! :)
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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2013, 09:52:57 am »

I can't make a video of it right now, as my CL5 is in mid-musical theater production, but I designed a case that allows for one person to lift it up on a built-in stand, that adds little weight and hardly any volume to the case. It's perfect for the one-man operation who wants to use a CL5.

Doesn't have a doghouse, though, as I personally consider it a waste of space for a digi console.
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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2013, 11:58:47 am »

In a setting where the mixer is set up and used for some time, It's really neat to lift out the "tray" for a nice, clean look.

But for people running in and out of clubs, etc, with very little time to spare, it's a hassle to "tilt" the mixer, get help to lift the "tray" out, place it onto something else like an extra table or extra easy-tilt you have to to bring, and then reversing the process after the show.
For those people it's easier to just tilt the mixer, "strip it" and then leave the top of the case+ the noscone assembeled next to the desk as a barrier or work surface next to the tech.  Those top+noscone cases make a great spot to stick personal stuff like jackets, shoes and backpacks, anyways! :)

We're talking about a CL-5 here, 1 person can tip the case, and you need 2 people for 30 seconds to remove the lid and lift the console onto the table or stand. You would need those same 2 people to remove the lid anyway.

I guess the clubs you go to are different than the ones I see. There is rarely room at FOH to store the console case. There is also limited space to tip a tilt stand, which requires a lot of floor space compared to the console footprint. The use of a tilt stand on anything smaller and lighter than a PM5D strikes me as ludicrous.

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Re: New CL5 Console Case—Nosecone or Not?
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