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Ivan Beaver

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40KW single space amp?
« on: October 20, 2013, 08:34:20 AM »

So you want a 40Kw single space amp with processing?

Look at this

http://www.pknc.com/3phase_eng.html

Makes you wonder-----------------------------
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Re: 40KW single space amp?
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 11:21:55 AM »

So you want a 40Kw single space amp with processing?

Look at this

http://www.pknc.com/3phase_eng.html

Makes you wonder-----------------------------

Is it shipping yet?  We've seen this product before.

Feeding it 400v/3 phase will make for interesting deployment in North America.  If they can make it work on 480v/3 phase they might have a chance... 
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Re: 40KW single space amp?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 11:27:57 AM »

Feeding it 400v/3 phase will make for interesting deployment in North America.  If they can make it work on 480v/3 phase they might have a chance...

What voltage is a three phase supply in the US?  Over here (UK) it's 415 volts.


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Re: 40KW single space amp?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2013, 11:49:54 AM »

What voltage is a three phase supply in the US?  Over here (UK) it's 415 volts.


Steve.
The typical feed we will see is 120/208.  The next step up is 277/480.  We will only see that in industrial hotels and very large venues.  In the large venues 480 will be used for distribution and it will get stepped down before our distros.

We also have a host of other systems and voltage levels depending on age and intended use at the time of the electrical install.  We typically don't see or use these other systems for production.  It is important we know they exist so we can understand any odd meter readings.  Here is a fun one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta
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Re: 40KW single space amp?
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2013, 11:57:48 AM »

The typical feed we will see is 120/208.  The next step up is 277/480.  We will only see that in industrial hotels and very large venues.  In the large venues 480 will be used for distribution and it will get stepped down before our distros.

We also have a host of other systems and voltage levels depending on age and intended use at the time of the electrical install.  We typically don't see or use these other systems for production.  It is important we know they exist so we can understand any odd meter readings.  Here is a fun one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta
I actually had a volunteer "helper" who tied me (I ALWAYS tied myself in-but this ONE TIME I let somebody else do it :(  ) into 480V-then turned on my gear.

It took out EVERYTHING  in the system (except the amps-which were off)-consoles-processing-intelligent lights-dimpaks etc was destroyed.

I had to send the truck back to the shop (1 hour away) to get another system.

We were a little bit late starting that show.

The "helper" disappeared after that.  THANKS A LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: 40KW single space amp?
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2013, 12:30:38 PM »

I just look at that little power connector and wonder how it can support that kind of current. At 400 volts, the pin spacing is pretty darned tight too.  Would that pass in the US as acceptable?

So you want a 40Kw single space amp with processing?

Look at this

http://www.pknc.com/3phase_eng.html

Makes you wonder-----------------------------
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Re: 40KW single space amp?
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2013, 01:46:05 PM »

Feeding it 400v/3 phase will make for interesting deployment in North America.  If they can make it work on 480v/3 phase they might have a chance...
The specs indicate it can run off nearly anything, though with less output at lower voltage.
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Re: 40KW single space amp?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2013, 05:14:39 PM »

If they can make it work on 480v/3 phase they might have a chance...


It does, according to the spec sheet.
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Re: 40KW single space amp?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2013, 07:22:39 PM »

Here in the US, it would be next to impossible at best to gain access to a 480 Volt feeder to power these amplifiers. It would need to be arranged (and paid for) well in advance of a show. And that's IF the venue has a 480 Volt system-which very few do. A venue such as Madison Square Garden MAY have a 480 system for lighting and motors but the usual setup is a pair of 600 Amp 120/208 fused safety switches at stage right for the vendors to tie into.

If you really wanted to use this amplifier to it's rating in the US, you'd need to carry a delta/delta transformer to step up 208 Volts to 480 Volts.

Having done this, you'd then need to convince the venue staff it's an approved appliance. I do NOT see any level of safety compliance approvals on the unit or noted in the users guide. At minimum, larger venues (read: Unionized staffing) will inspect unfamiliar gear and look for at least a CE certification. Without it, you won't be allowed to apply power to it. AND, say some catastrophic failure occurred. Insurance adjusters will inspect the gear. Guess what they'll do when the gear has no safety certifications or approvals?

Having said all this, I would love to see this amplifier in person. After all, I'm half Hungarian!
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Re: 40KW single space amp?
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2013, 08:38:01 PM »

Whats all the fuzz with the voltage over there? Our normal house 3 phase is 400V. We have a 400v 3phase wall outlets in any kitchen here.

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