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Author Topic: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price  (Read 11450 times)

Randy Frierson

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Just wondering what you guys are liking, I personally like MICA but my customer can't afford to go that way, but he wants the best out there priced under MICA, way under....thanks for your responses in advance
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Peter Morris

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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2013, 02:55:02 am »

Just wondering what you guys are liking, I personally like MICA but my customer can't afford to go that way, but he wants the best out there priced under MICA, way under....thanks for your responses in advance

I would have a look dB Technologies T8s and T12s. Slightly more expensive than the HDL20 but better sound quality.

Also have a look at the  new V.U.E  line array.
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Randy Frierson

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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 01:05:10 am »

I would have a look dB Technologies T8s and T12s. Slightly more expensive than the HDL20 but better sound quality.

Also have a look at the  new V.U.E  line array.
I wish more folks would respond, so far I've had 2 that says the db t8 and T12 would be a better choice, anymore thoughts?
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2013, 02:53:19 am »

I wish more folks would respond, so far I've had 2 that says the db t8 and T12 would be a better choice, anymore thoughts?

We're dealers.  You've been warned.

We've sold a HDL20A rig, but I've not used it.  I've heard it and attribute The Things I Didn't Like® to misdeployment due to not using the provided prediction tools.  I specifically recommended EASE Focus 2 to the buyer... oh well.  At any rate, since I didn't set it up or mix on it, I don't know what the rig is really capable of.

The DBTech T12 is a surprise box.  Get an 8 box hang on demo and align a pair of your Tour Subs.  It's not Meyer, it's not JBL, but I think it can make you more $$ than buying 4888 (for example).  It responds well to EQ, it's got decent long term output (around -4dB compared to 4888), it weighs 60#, it's networkable.

Whether or not any of that makes sense for your situation is speculation, though.  What other choices are you considering?
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2013, 04:51:48 am »

Get the TT33 if the budget can allow it. Great little box.

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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2013, 09:17:56 am »

Just wondering what you guys are liking, I personally like MICA but my customer can't afford to go that way, but he wants the best out there priced under MICA, way under....thanks for your responses in advance
So the usual question-what is the application?

Install or portable?  If an install-what is the coverage area-what is the height available-what sort of SPL and so forth.

Defining the needs more than "cheaper than Mica" would help.
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2013, 12:16:08 pm »

So the usual question-what is the application?

Install or portable?  If an install-what is the coverage area-what is the height available-what sort of SPL and so forth.

Defining the needs more than "cheaper than Mica" would help.
yes I agree ivan, , he wants a line array, he wanted to buy Mica but it turned out to be way to expensive than his budget would allow, I've figured out from pulling it out of him, that he wants to stay south of 4,000 a box...he again says he wants 16 total, I demoed Outlines Mini compass but he thought it was to small though it was north of 5K a box...I don't sell D&B V or Lacoustics, but everything else I can probably get....thanks in advance...R
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2013, 01:31:23 pm »

I have been enjoying the DAS Aero12. It needs a little EQ love in the low mids if it is a high SPL application (like the hip hop shows we used it on). Great sounding box.
  Also, they are based out if Florida, so you should be able to easily get a demo.
  I'm not a dealer or anything, just thought they were a real nice box for the $3-4k a box range.
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2013, 01:47:30 pm »

yes I agree ivan, , he wants a line array, he wanted to buy Mica but it turned out to be way to expensive than his budget would allow, I've figured out from pulling it out of him, that he wants to stay south of 4,000 a box...he again says he wants 16 total, I demoed Outlines Mini compass but he thought it was to small though it was north of 5K a box...I don't sell D&B V or Lacoustics, but everything else I can probably get....thanks in advance...R
OH I get it- it is not about what performance is needed-but rather how many boxes and how much a box----------

Maybe he needs to learn a little bit about line array theory 101.

It is NOT the number of boxes-but rather the length of the array.

But I guess that "science stuff"  doesn't matter if all you want is a certain number of boxes anyway-------------------

I wonder if he can tell you why he really wants a line array and what makes it right for his application.

I guess that doesn't matter either-as long as it is "cool".

I guess sell him a system-and take his money before somebody else does.
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Peter Morris

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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2013, 12:18:13 am »

yes I agree ivan, , he wants a line array, he wanted to buy Mica but it turned out to be way to expensive than his budget would allow, I've figured out from pulling it out of him, that he wants to stay south of 4,000 a box...he again says he wants 16 total, I demoed Outlines Mini compass but he thought it was to small though it was north of 5K a box...I don't sell D&B V or Lacoustics, but everything else I can probably get....thanks in advance...R

I assumed you are looking for a powered box around 4K or less (?)
….  or is an unpowered box OK at that price point (?) ... does in need to allow for amplifiers and processors in that price (?)
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2013, 02:53:44 am »

A very similar box to the RCF HDL 20  would be the A line acoustics -... I forget the model #..., anyway I mixed on a 6 box hang in a 2500 seat Casino for 3 years and everyone used em, from George Jones to Gretchen Wilson to the Ohio Players to Boys to Men to Skid Row.  The company got bought by "Atlas" (as in mic stands) and has been "improved" I'm told.  Under 100 lbs/box and a straight forward rigging system. You might want give them a look. I have no recent pricing info. Best of luck on your quest. I'm a Turbosound guy myself, but I have to give them credit. They always got the job done and sounded quite good.
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2013, 06:06:19 am »

Nexo GeoS1210 should come within budget. Quote a dealer the price with riggin and amps should be around the price point you are aiming at.
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 09:00:39 pm »

Just wondering what you guys are liking, I personally like MICA but my customer can't afford to go that way, but he wants the best out there priced under MICA, way under....thanks for your responses in advance
D.A.S. Is the way to go... Aero12A quite cheap and next the aero40...check them out
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 10:31:18 pm »

I went with dB's T12 boxes after looking closely at HDL 20, TT33, and T12.  T12's had the best Price/Performance I could find.

He might want to consider some KF850's.......  ;)
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Re: Anything out there as a mid box better than RCF HDL 20A for the Price
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2013, 01:51:51 pm »

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