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eric lenasbunt

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Re: Hanging choir mics with lots of GBF
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2013, 05:38:22 pm »

Thanks gentlemen.
This is for a "choir loft" area in a church. Fixed install. We currently get pretty good coverage out of the 7 AT4033 mics, but they want to get the mic stands out of the way.
It is a vocal choir of 75-100 people. The room is pretty dry and the stage is carpeted. My guess would be 50' wide in the front row, and then an extra 8-10' of width in each of the following rows, 6 total.  30' or so to the ceiling in the front, then each step up is a little closer of course, but never all that close to the drop ceiling.


Thanks Dick! I have heard you are the master of this particular topic. Your guesstimating is about right. So I don't make the Iggy list I did actually answer the dimension question a few posts up ;)

Thanks for your help. I do enjoy te less is more philosophy.

That being said, do you have a particular mic or two I should check out?
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Re: Hanging choir mics with lots of GBF
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2013, 05:41:35 pm »

Thanks Dick! I have heard you are the master of this particular topic. Your guesstimating is about right. So I don't make the Iggy list I did actually answer the dimension question a few posts up ;)

Thanks for your help. I do enjoy te less is more philosophy.

That being said, do you have a particular mic or two I should check out?

Eric...

I am by no means a master of this.  I do have some experience, both in what works and what doesn't...probably more in what doesn't.

It's just common sense and kow-towing to the laws of physics.  I'll leave it to the more experienced installers to recommend which particular mics might be best.  There are many from which to choose.
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Re: Hanging choir mics with lots of GBF
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2013, 05:58:23 pm »

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Three good hanging mics should cover you fine.

Why just three?

You'll want them placed far enough away to get a good blend without so much chance of individual voices predominating.  At the right distance, you'll have pretty broad coverage, so with the 3:1 rule, one right in the middle and one 15' to each side of the middle.

The fewer mics you use, the more headroom and the better the GBF.

+1 LESS IS DEFINATRLY MORE!!

I do a church choir music publishers show 4 times a year. A large portion of it is talking heads presenting choral music to the audience (all choir directors) every night they do a premier using a choir most are somewhere in the 60-80 member range. They(choir directors) are always amazed at how great the choir sounds and want to know how we get so much out of them. We do service calls and I usually find out they are using 8-10 mics on a 60 person choir and they are canceling. So I shut half of them or more off do proper EQ adjustments and then they sound great!

One of the hanging mics I really like is the AT 853ru. It has worked well in several installs.
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Re: Hanging choir mics with lots of GBF
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2013, 06:23:15 pm »

It is a vocal choir of 75-100 people. The room is pretty dry and the stage is carpeted. My guess would be 50' wide in the front row, and then an extra 8-10' of width in each of the following rows, 6 total.  30' or so to the ceiling in the front, then each step up is a little closer of course, but never all that close to the drop ceiling.
So 50' wide in the front row up to almost 100' wide for the sixth row?  And the ceiling 30' above the floor at the front with the floor stepping up a total of 3' to 4' for the top row?  It also sounds like you typically only use 3 or 4 of the rows.
 
Where are the house speakers and any choir monitors located in relation to where the choir mics would be located?  Any practical or aesthetic considerations in where the microphones can or cannot be located?
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2013, 06:46:57 pm »

So 50' wide in the front row up to almost 100' wide for the sixth row?  And the ceiling 30' above the floor at the front with the floor stepping up a total of 3' to 4' for the top row?  It also sounds like you typically only use 3 or 4 of the rows.
 
Where are the house speakers and any choir monitors located in relation to where the choir mics would be located?  Any practical or aesthetic considerations in where the microphones can or cannot be located?

Yes, 40-50' wide and 16-20' deep is really the approximate coverage area. 3-4 rows of singers depending on the week.
 It sounds like 3 good hanging mics may do it.
  Any ideas on what to use?
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2013, 07:30:37 pm »

Yes, 40-50' wide and 16-20' deep is really the approximate coverage area. 3-4 rows of singers depending on the week.
 It sounds like 3 good hanging mics may do it.
  Any ideas on what to use?

Since TLamb mentioned the AT 853's, I'll say that I have also used these and found them to perform very, very well. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2013, 08:21:07 pm »

Since TLamb mentioned the AT 853's, I'll say that I have also used these and found them to perform very, very well.

Those look to be in the perfect price range. Thanks for the suggestions and refreshers on best practice. You guys always save the day!
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2013, 10:42:49 pm »

Those look to be in the perfect price range. Thanks for the suggestions and refreshers on best practice. You guys always save the day!

I use the Countryman Isomax II.  (got them used somewhere)

I recommend the CAD CM100 as a nice compromise between price and functionality.
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Re: Hanging choir mics with lots of GBF
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2013, 08:28:58 am »

Apparently the A-T 853 series has been discontinued and replaced by the U853 series.
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Re: Hanging choir mics with lots of GBF
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2013, 10:19:26 pm »

Apparently the A-T 853 series has been discontinued and replaced by the U853 series.

You are correct. I was just so used to it being the AT SERIES not the U Uniline series. They have worked well for me many times.
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