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eric lenasbunt

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Multi zone processor recommendation
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2013, 11:42:48 pm »

Forget the fixed architecture platforms for starters. BSS Soundweb, Media Matrix Nion, QSCQsys, and many offerings from Biamp should be reviewed based on your exact needs. I'm sure there are others.

I was having trouble finding any of these in my budget range. The Ashley mentioned below was the closest.

Any specific ideas near budget would be appreciated.

And I would love to have a deeper understanding of what the down side to fixed architecture would be, if anyone has time to enlighten me. (I am being genuine here, not a smart ass, just to be clear)
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2013, 11:44:00 pm »

May not be a perfect fit but look at Ashly NE 24.24M loaded 8x16.  Quality build, sound good, and easy software.  Should fit your budget.

You can install one of several styles of remote controls to change presets without a computer.

Jason

This was my first choice but I was concerned with no front panel access. A remote option may be the ticket though.
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2013, 02:43:38 pm »

Thanks for all the suggestions guys. Looks like we will be using an Ashley Protea Matrix 24.24 unit with a wall mounted remote switch to switch scenes. I think I am now on the right track and I am grateful for all of your comments (never want to say feedback)
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Re: Multi zone processor recommendation
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2013, 09:12:47 pm »

Symetrix Jupiter series?
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2013, 11:22:14 pm »

Hey guys, looking for product advice to replace an old (original model) Peavey media matrix.
 We no longer have any Windows 95 computers laying around and we need to make some adjustments.

I need to separate into a total of 13 zones (already have amps wired for this, just need to process). I need to properly delay and EQ each zone.
I would just go with something like a pair of DBX Driveracks, but I do need to be able to easily divide the system into 2 separate systems. (Air wall divider)

Any recommendations on product and a simple way to set it up for the volunteers. I was thinking 2 presets, 1 for whole system, 1 for 2 systems. (When divided that way 5 zones make up one system, 8 zones on the other.)

I am sure I left out details.

Thanks!
I have used various products to do this sort of thing. http://www.penton-usa.com/products/dsp/uapg2.php Biamp audia, or Rane install stuff

Many install units have inputs for pots and dry contacts or other logic level IO.  Many times I use these with switches mounted on blank wall plates or rack plates. Each company also have premade wall switches and encoders.
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Re: Multi zone processor recommendation
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2013, 07:29:02 am »

And I would love to have a deeper understanding of what the down side to fixed architecture would be, if anyone has time to enlighten me. (I am being genuine here, not a smart ass, just to be clear)
The downside is that it is fixed.  If the processing and routing defined supports what you want or need then it is not a problem, if it doesn't then you can't make it work.
 
Open architecture processors typically offer many more options in terms of the processing possible.  Simple mixers and automixers as well as matrix switchers and matrix mixers.  Various EQ and dynamics processing that can be placed anywhere in the signal chain, you can usually even define the amount and type of EQ - want 7 bands of parametric EQ rather than 5 bands or to swap between graphic and parametric EQ and you can usually make that change.  You can often use the processing algorithms available to create more complex processors, for example using filters and compressors to create multiband compressors or limiting and delay to create a look-ahead limiter.  You can sometimes create macros from multiple processors, say using a gate, compressor, EQ, de-esser, etc. to create a channel strip macro, which you can then treat as an available processing device.  You can usually insert level controls or meters anywhere in the signal chain.  You probably get the general point that an open architecture processor typically allows a much greater level of capability and flexibility in the processing and routing happening inside the box.
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Re: Multi zone processor recommendation
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2013, 05:25:33 am »

Symetrix Radius + XOut 12 Dante Breakout

Works like a charm with lots of flexibility. 12 Mic/Line Inputs + 8 output on the radius and another 12 out via dante from the radius. Though you may be hitting close to max processing power depending on how u design the DSP. Furthermore ARC-Web built in means u can deploy it wireless on any smartphone or computers for control.

SymVue also allows u to have terminals all around if need be.
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Re: Multi zone processor recommendation
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2013, 03:51:28 pm »

This was my first choice but I was concerned with no front panel access. A remote option may be the ticket though.
Thanks

There is one button on the front of an Ashly ne24.24m that is a preset recall (it can be disabled if needed), If preset recall is all that you need you will not need any sort of remote with it.



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Re: Multi zone processor recommendation
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2013, 05:23:03 pm »

Hey guys, looking for product advice to replace an old (original model) Peavey media matrix.
 We no longer have any Windows 95 computers laying around and we need to make some adjustments.

I need to separate into a total of 13 zones (already have amps wired for this, just need to process). I need to properly delay and EQ each zone.
I would just go with something like a pair of DBX Driveracks, but I do need to be able to easily divide the system into 2 separate systems. (Air wall divider)

Any recommendations on product and a simple way to set it up for the volunteers. I was thinking 2 presets, 1 for whole system, 1 for 2 systems. (When divided that way 5 zones make up one system, 8 zones on the other.)

I am sure I left out details.

Thanks!
Hi Eric,

Is there some reason you do not want to use a new version of MediaMatrix? The newest NION nE is quite cost efficient if you do not need CobraNet or Dante and just want the analog I/O. Even with CobraNet or Dante, it is still very competitively priced when compared to everything else.

Having the system combine and uncombine spaces is very simple, especially if you are moving air walls into place to separate the rooms. You can use industrial magnetic reed switches similar to what is used in the security industry to trigger the GPIO to select between combined and uncombined states.

Please feel free to get in touch if you have questions or comments.

Thanks!
Josh
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Re: Multi zone processor recommendation
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2013, 12:55:23 am »

There is one button on the front of an Ashly ne24.24m that is a preset recall (it can be disabled if needed), If preset recall is all that you need you will not need any sort of remote with it.

You can also just mount up to 2 of their contact-closure preset recall remote (WR-2) in the rack next to the processor itself if you just want to "augment" the front panel controls.  (or just use the costlier but more versatile neWR-5)
Since the unit has 8 built-in preset recall terminals you can even retrofit existing buttons that the client may already be familiar with using.

From what I've determined, the 24.24 is probably the best bang-for-the-buck in system DSP's and even though it's fixed, it is perfect for the restaurant, bar and hospitality industries (or any other penny-pinching client).  The sound quality is excellent and I think far exceeds what you would expect for it's price-point.

-And it's not all that "fixed" either when compared to a ZonePro or Digitool (and those are great units too and work well for many applications)
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