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Mac Kerr

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Re: Digital Snake that is hissing (need to eliminate)- Behringer S16
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2013, 12:09:00 pm »

It definitely seems like a complicated and expensive solution to whatever the problem was. I will say that, as someone who regularly deals with a 16x4x100 analog snake, being able to run a single cat5 from the stage to FOH to handle all the audio sounds really appealing

Really? 16x4 100'? As someone who generally is running a 48pr + 16pr return + 12/4 FOH power 300'-450' I can see the charm of digital snakes, and I use them when I can.

By the time you mount those boxes they aren't going to weigh less, and they are a lot more complex and have way more points of failure than a 24pr analog snake wired as 16x8.

Before the onset of digital consoles there were digital snakes. The one I used most was the Otari Lightwinder. It was a 48x16 digital snake with a 12RU box at each end. The  FOH end broke out in 4 16pr fanouts, and the connection was fiber. A digital snake used with an analog console that does not break out in fanouts at FOH just seems silly.

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Digital Snake that is hissing (need to eliminate)- Behringer S16
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2013, 01:41:53 pm »

Maybe he meant the digital sounded expensive and complicated?
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Re: Digital Snake that is hissing (need to eliminate)- Behringer S16
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2013, 02:27:29 pm »

Maybe he meant the digital sounded expensive and complicated?
Yeah I was refering to using the s16 digital snake with an analog board as being expensive(2x$900 stage boxes+ADA8000+proper ethernet cable) and complicated. As you mentioned the weight savings isn't as much as I was thinking, but it does sound nice to be able to roll out a relatively thin ethernet cable as opposed to a multicore snake(even a 20 pair like mine). The main reason I'll be upgrading(in the probably distant future) will be if/when we need a higher channel count than our 16ch board and snake. We were thinking about upgrading our snake a while back to a 24x8(or 16x8 or 24x4) because we could use more returns(for more monitor mixes), but we decided against it because the next step as far as mixers go is digital(and most likely a digital snake).

Really? 16x4 100'? As someone who generally is running a 48pr + 16pr return + 12/4 FOH power 300'-450' I can see the charm of digital snakes, and I use them when I can.

By the time you mount those boxes they aren't going to weigh less, and they are a lot more complex and have way more points of failure than a 24pr analog snake wired as 16x8.

Before the onset of digital consoles there were digital snakes. The one I used most was the Otari Lightwinder. It was a 48x16 digital snake with a 12RU box at each end. The  FOH end broke out in 4 16pr fanouts, and the connection was fiber. A digital snake used with an analog console that does not break out in fanouts at FOH just seems silly.

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Mac, I'm sure that with the number of channels and distance's you need to run you can appreciate digital audio way more that I can; none of the equipment I've used comes close to what you(and many other people on this forum) use on a regular basis.
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Re: Digital Snake that is hissing (need to eliminate)- Behringer S16
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2019, 05:12:55 pm »

I know this thread is ancient, but the right guys were here then and hopefully now too!

Having bought an S32 for one of our X32 desks, I decided to try my two S16s and an ADA8000 that had been knocking around for a few years to set up the proverbial digital snake for small analogue mixers.

I set up just as it said with FOH S16 set to Master / ST2 + ADA8000. It worked but masses of hissss as if I was amplifying very little gain.

Although I could appear to adjust the gain with the master at FOH, it didn't actually change anything. The gains were not available on the stage unit working as a slave. After a lot of chopping and changing and fiddling I set the stage S16 to 'Master' and the FOH S16 + ADA8000 to standard or something else anyway.

With the STAGE S16 set to master it showed Gains on -2.5 so swung them all up to 27.5, and (wow!) MASSIVE perfectly CLEAN sound, returns worked fine too, testing with just main outs from ancient mixer to a couple of HK powered cabs.

Of course Gains / Phantom power etc can only be adjusted at the stage end. SO...
...what have I done wrong please guys!
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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2019, 05:48:18 pm »

...what have I done wrong please guys!

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Re: Digital Snake that is hissing (need to eliminate)- Behringer S16
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2019, 05:58:05 pm »

Sorry Mac, clearly I hadn't read the rule-book yet :(
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