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[Dan MacLerran]

Our College Administrators want to put the Bose Room Match Speakers Arrays (and Amps) in our 930 Seat Auditorium.  (RM8500N Amps -- Speakers --
 RM055 X 05 , RM 070 X05, RM 090 X 10, RM 090 X 20 -- Subs RMS 215 -- Monitors 620M)

I am not familiar at all with the Bose Systems.  Does anyone have any comments or experience with the Bose Room Match System?  How do they compare with Crown and JBL??


Thanks in Advance.

[Craig Hauber]

Our College Administrators want to put the Bose Room Match Speakers Arrays (and Amps) in our 930 Seat Auditorium.  (RM8500N Amps -- Speakers --
 RM055 X 05 , RM 070 X05, RM 090 X 10, RM 090 X 20 -- Subs RMS 215 -- Monitors 620M)

I am not familiar at all with the Bose Systems.  Does anyone have any comments or experience with the Bose Room Match System?  How do they compare with Crown and JBL??


Thanks in Advance.

Never heard it but it appears to be a dual-10 line array box with some kind of summed 6-compression-driver mid/high element.  They have different horizontal coverages and vertical coverages but all the same shape -hence the different model numbers
-and you assemble the elements to "match the room" of course.

The sub is a dual-15 box (quite a departure for bose as they've always loved their 4" and 5" drivers)

The monitor is just the panaray 620M with it's 2 4" drivers and a bunch of 2" tiny-cones.  They destroy quite easily.  Barely OK for speech monitoring in a corporate or HOW application.

I'm generally a Bose skeptic and have found that it usually "works" but generally doesn't go loud enough -and overall you can usually do better for probably less money.

[Brad Weber]

The RoomMatch system is quite different from most other Bose products not only in the product itself but also in support and application.
 
Just curious, but since you say this is what your Administrators propose, what is your role?  I ask because hopfully someone has defined some expectations for how the system will work and what it will be able to do such that the focus should possibly be on how the expected system performance meets those needs rather than just the brand names or products.  The system proposed could be totally inappropriate or the result of detailed design, there is no way to know or comment from just the equipment list, especially without knowing anythying about the goals for the system, the venue, the overall system concept proposed, what thought and design effort is behind what is proposed, the predicted performance of the system, the related installation and tuning of the system and so on.

[Ivan Beaver]

The RoomMatch system is quite different from most other Bose products not only in the product itself but also in support and application.
 
Just curious, but since you say this is what your Administrators propose, what is your role?  I ask because hopfully someone has defined some expectations for how the system will work and what it will be able to do such that the focus should possibly be on how the expected system performance meets those needs rather than just the brand names or products.  The system proposed could be totally inappropriate or the result of detailed design, there is no way to know or comment from just the equipment list, especially without knowing anythying about the goals for the system, the venue, the overall system concept proposed, what thought and design effort is behind what is proposed, the predicted performance of the system, the related installation and tuning of the system and so on.

WHAT??

You mean you can't just put any speaker in any room and it will work for whatever they want it to?

OH the horror.]

Just like with cars- there are better and worse for different applications-depending on the application and the expectations. # of passengers-kind of load carried-mileage needed-comfort needed etc.

Without knowing the application and expectations-there is no way to say whether or not a particular product will work or not.

[Tom Hester]

The way Bose worked it out is that THEY design every system when its sold, and are working with specific installers. I have heard the boxes twice, they sound better than you would expect from Bose, but they do not sound any better than any other "install" box. They are also nearing the price of "big boy" systems. Personally I would look elsewhere if you want this PA to do anything more than speech and light music. If you have any sort of riders to meet you can throw this out the window.

[Brad Weber]

The way Bose worked it out is that THEY design every system when its sold, and are working with specific installers. I have heard the boxes twice, they sound better than you would expect from Bose, but they do not sound any better than any other "install" box. They are also nearing the price of "big boy" systems. Personally I would look elsewhere if you want this PA to do anything more than speech and light music. If you have any sort of riders to meet you can throw this out the window.

Perhaps it relates to Consultant projects, but I know the first part of that is not true as when I mentioned considering RoomMatch for a project Bose offered any assistance I wanted but also gave me a full copy of Modeler so I could look at it myself.  There was also nothing said about it being limited to only certain installers.  I did not end up using RoomMatch due to the output issues noted for what was a pretty large space but the variable pattern boxes, which is the real differentiator from most other products, can be advantageous in some applications, for example to create a more rectangular coverage from single center array.  The Renkus-Heinz Varia is a variation on the same concept.

[Tim Weaver]

The room match system is a surprising product from Bose. Like others have said, it sounds pretty good, but the price puts it in a league with L'Acoustics, Vertec, and D&B. So you could have one of those...

Also, for a dual 10" the physical size of the thing is Huuuuge. The cabinet has a lot of (what seems like) wasted space in front of the drivers, but behind the grill. These things are literally the size of most dual 15 cabinets.

[Caleb Dueck]

It's the least bad of any Bose product, but still "no highs, no lows", and way overpriced.  For install its on par price-wise with a Danley/Powersoft system.  We just won a project where we proposed Danley/Powersoft, plenty of sub power, better HF extension, for close price to another company proposing Room Match. 

It's like a good EV EVA system with DX46 DSP (roughly) but higher price.  We weren't wowed by it.  Plus, as a company, it's dangerous to be in the "but it (insert Bose/Peavey/Behringer/etc) really isn't all that bad" position. 

[Ivan Beaver]

but they do not sound any better than any other "install" box. .

So are you saying that all "install" boxes sound the same?

How does the sound of an "install" box differ from "other boxes"?

[Tim Weaver]

So are you saying that all "install" boxes sound the same?

How does the sound of an "install" box differ from "other boxes"?

Because it has no handles and is painted white it must not be that good!

[Ivan Beaver]

Because it has no handles and is painted white it must not be that good!

Well black boxes are louder ya know.

[Brad Weber]

Also, for a dual 10" the physical size of the thing is Huuuuge. The cabinet has a lot of (what seems like) wasted space in front of the drivers, but behind the grill. These things are literally the size of most dual 15 cabinets.

I think that may have something to do with being able to offer cabinets with 55, 70, 90 and 120 degree horizontal patterns as getting horizontal pattern control to a lower frequency as the RoomMatch boxes apparently do requires a physically large horn.
 
Being able to somewhat combine a vertical line array with elements also potentially having varying horizontal patterns is what makes a RoomMatch system different than either a typical line array or a traditional 'point source' box.  Whether you like the particualr products or not, the concept is interesting.

[Tim Weaver]

I think that may have something to do with being able to offer cabinets with 55, 70, 90 and 120 degree horizontal patterns as getting horizontal pattern control to a lower frequency as the RoomMatch boxes apparently do requires a physically large horn.
 
Being able to somewhat combine a vertical line array with elements also potentially having varying horizontal patterns is what makes a RoomMatch system different than either a typical line array or a traditional 'point source' box.  Whether you like the particualr products or not, the concept is interesting.

That's the only thing I could think of, but the couple of times I've seen the system I never saw any of the boxes that would "fill up" that space behind the grill. The rigs I saw had different modules, but I'm not sure what type boxes were being used. It may be that the narrowest horizontal module uses all that room....

[Tom Hester]

So are you saying that all "install" boxes sound the same?

How does the sound of an "install" box differ from "other boxes"?

Calm down over there. Install boxes meaning EAW MK, Yamaha Installation series etc.

There is a difference in sound quality between an MK box and d&b q7.. but there is also a huge price difference... The roommatch is in a weird spot being closer to the price of the high end system, but not having the sound quality in my opinion.

[Tom Hester]

Perhaps it relates to Consultant projects, but I know the first part of that is not true as when I mentioned considering RoomMatch for a project Bose offered any assistance I wanted but also gave me a full copy of Modeler so I could look at it myself.  There was also nothing said about it being limited to only certain installers.  I did not end up using RoomMatch due to the output issues noted for what was a pretty large space but the variable pattern boxes, which is the real differentiator from most other products, can be advantageous in some applications, for example to create a more rectangular coverage from single center array.  The Renkus-Heinz Varia is a variation on the same concept.

Interesting, I sat through a demo with bose, That is where I was told that they do the design work, and are working with a network of installers... Maybe that rep was mis-informed.

[Ivan Beaver]

Calm down over there. Install boxes meaning EAW MK, Yamaha Installation series etc.

There is a difference in sound quality between an MK box and d&b q7.. but there is also a huge price difference... The roommatch is in a weird spot being closer to the price of the high end system, but not having the sound quality in my opinion.

I was just responding to the actual statement.  We have install boxes that sound exactly like the touring products-so not ALL install boxes sound the same.

So do all "install" front loaded boxes sound like all "line array" boxes?  I think not.

Now if  you are calling all "install" boxes-the cheap-bottom of the line" then say that-not "install" boxes.

BTW I would argue that installs done properly-sound wayyyy better than the typical tour boxes used in portable situation.

So maybe THAT is your point-not sure.

[Brad Weber]

Interesting, I sat through a demo with bose, That is where I was told that they do the design work, and are working with a network of installers... Maybe that rep was mis-informed.

Not necessarily, sometimes manufacturers approach projects that are designed and specified by independent consultants differently.  A manufacturer may have approaches for and/or relationships with dealers that make sense for design-build situations but may discourage consultants specifying their products and in those situations the manufacturer may try to find ways to be more 'consultant friendly' when a consultant is involved.  So what you were told may apply to design-build projects but not necessarily to those where what the manufacturer considers to be a qualified independent consultant is designing and specifying the system.
 

[Tom Hester]

I was just responding to the actual statement.  We have install boxes that sound exactly like the touring products-so not ALL install boxes sound the same.

So do all "install" front loaded boxes sound like all "line array" boxes?  I think not.

Now if  you are calling all "install" boxes-the cheap-bottom of the line" then say that-not "install" boxes.

BTW I would argue that installs done properly-sound wayyyy better than the typical tour boxes used in portable situation.

So maybe THAT is your point-not sure.

I agree with you, a well done install can obviously sound better than a touring situation. I also never stated that "install" boxes sounded bad. I was stating for the price, they sounded no better to my ear than most manufactures install series boxes. I never brought up high end install boxes like Danley. Most manufactures take the handles off boxes and call them install boxes. im referring to contractor/install series with the same basic boxes with multiple horn patterns.I'll be more specific next time.

[Tom Hester]

Not necessarily, sometimes manufacturers approach projects that are designed and specified by independent consultants differently.  A manufacturer may have approaches for and/or relationships with dealers that make sense for design-build situations but may discourage consultants specifying their products and in those situations the manufacturer may try to find ways to be more 'consultant friendly' when a consultant is involved.  So what you were told may apply to design-build projects but not necessarily to those where what the manufacturer considers to be a qualified independent consultant is designing and specifying the system.

Yes, this was meant for design/build.

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