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Brad Weber

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Re: Si Expression vs StudioLive
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2013, 05:34:14 am »

The brand new A&H QU-16 is another choice.
That depends on when they plan to purchase the mixer.  And with the Si Expression 2 and StudioLive 24.4.2 references it also looks like they are maybe looking for something with at least 24 mic/line inputs.

To expand on Dick's questions, it's one thing to compare consoles without any reference to the application and another to compare then in terms of a particular application.  There can be many differences between products but whether a difference matters and which option may be more appropriate can depend on the specific application.

Along similar lines, explaining why you are replacing the existing mixer can often offer some useful information.  Is the old mixer failing has to be replaced or does it work fine but you simply want something newer or more capable?  Or are there certain aspects that you find lacking in your use that might be directly relevant to selecting a replacement?
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Re: Si Expression vs StudioLive
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2013, 04:33:56 pm »

Thanks for everyone's inputs - I think we are going with the Si Expression - Soundcraft will actually have a demo truck at Guitar Center here in Houston on Friday April 26 so we will get to see it.  One note - Presonus just announced price reductions of about $300 on the StudioLive consoles.

Thanks again.
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Mike Maly

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Si Expression vs StudioLive
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2013, 01:57:50 am »

I had this very dilemma myself. I was deciding between the SI Expression 3 or the StudioLive 32.  I currently own the StudioLive 24 but have mixed on multiple digital consoles. These were the biggest differences I noted in the two consoles:

The SI Expression has recallable everything. The StudioLive can recall everything except preamp gain.

The SI Expression has a shelving only hi and low EQ, the StudioLive 32 is fully parametric in all spots and also has adjustable slopes for hi/low shelving.

SI Expression has motorized faders which means layer mixing, StudioLive has a physical fader for every input.

SI Expression has 4 Lexicon effect engines featuring modulation effects while StudioLive has 4 rev/delay engines.

SI Expression has an iPad app that only allows for fader control to bus outputs and graphic EQ for those busses. StudioLive features a full user experience via iPad except for preamp gain, aux masters, FX to main masters. (This feature is very important for my uses as I do not always have a prime FOH position and this also allows for bands that I normally mix to control their own mixes and panning)

SI Expression requires extra add-ons to enable recording to laptop. StudioLive is one FireWire 800 cable to my MacBook, start the free included Capture software, title my session, click "Arm All" and record. As long as the board inputs do not clip my recording doesn't clip.

These were the biggest difference points for myself personally. They both sound great, it's hard to make a product sound bad these days, everything is pretty good. I won't even consider the B brand...

It should be noted that Soundcraft claims the iPad app will be gaining more functionality. I'm not sure I trust their mobile app writing skills; just go download the Vi editor and tell me it works bug-less. :(

I preordered my StudioLive 32 last week. They should ship out end of June, early July.
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Re: Si Expression vs StudioLive
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2013, 09:39:16 am »

I preordered my StudioLive 32 last week. They should ship out end of June, early July.
Based on the initial announcements they should have already shipped and I keep reading different stories on the actual release date, so how firm is that date and are pre-orders creating any potential additional delays for people ordering now?
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Re: Si Expression vs StudioLive
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2013, 11:33:53 am »

On top of all the other things to note, the expression series, like the studiolive does have a fader for every mic input. The expression also has multiple layers allowing for custom layouts instead of the fixed 1:1 routing of the Studiolive.

One of the big wins for me in a church environment would be the expandability.  The studiolive mixes 32 channels and that's it. If you need 33 channels its time to start cutting or submixing.  On the expression you have the option to add inputs and more mix channels.

+1 on all the scribble strip comments and one of the reasons I really like the X32 in addition to the dedicated 8 fader master section. DCA's don't make that much sense to me unless they're easily at hand.  You could probably accomplish that with a custom layer on the expression, but its nice having a physical separation. Fader glow probably does it as long as you can see it outdoors. 

The biggest advantage of the Studiolive is the remote control and built-in recording features.  They're nothing to scoff at, though the board unfortunately doesn't connect directly to the network and is reliant on a computer living between everything. Not a problem in a church environment maybe, but good to know if that isn't already available and you need to buy something to get all the remote control working.

Master section also brings up a deal killer for me on the Studiolive in a church environment. No matrix mixes. X32 has 6 and the Si Expession has 8.  For different zone feeds and broadcast outputs these are a must have in my book so you don't have to eat up any of the auxes and cut into fx use, monitor mixes or feeds like subs.  If you don't do it now, you might down the road and having to buy a new board or drop features isn't any fun if you could have made a better choice before.
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2013, 02:37:12 pm »

George, good addition to the list of differences. Remember that the StudioLive 32 will not be required to connect to a laptop for mobile control. Just add the router via USB.
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Re: Si Expression vs StudioLive
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2013, 05:21:27 pm »

Will be seeing the Si Expression at Guitar Center Soundcraft demo tomorrow - all the comment will help me on what to look for.  More after I see the demo.
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2013, 05:54:14 pm »

There's not much new to see except the price tag! It's nearly identical to its predecessor the Si Compact. Nearly indistinguishable in fact... and it's been out for years.
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Re: Si Expression vs StudioLive
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2013, 10:06:21 pm »

George, good addition to the list of differences. Remember that the StudioLive 32 will not be required to connect to a laptop for mobile control. Just add the router via USB.
Really good to hear.  That was a pain and a problem on two that I used where the connection would infrequently drop and require jumping through all the hoops to get it going again.  Not fun when using the iPad out front for FOH because the desk has to live SOS.
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Re: Si Expression vs StudioLive
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2013, 10:07:11 pm »

There's not much new to see except the price tag! It's nearly identical to its predecessor the Si Compact. Nearly indistinguishable in fact... and it's been out for years.
Physically yes.  The biggest difference seems to be DSP upgrades allowing for more channel processing which users may or may not need.
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