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James Feenstra

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Re: So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 09:02:58 pm »

Rafi,

I, too, would like to be able to list that on my resume.

You might want to look into ETCP/ESTA training for electrical.
etcp is more about liability than it is about actual knowledge. The problem with holding an etcp card is that in event of an accident on a show you're involved in you automatically become liable, even if you are not directly in charge.

I hope you have good insurance before getting your ticket.
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Re: So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 10:01:59 pm »

etcp is more about liability than it is about actual knowledge. The problem with holding an etcp card is that in event of an accident on a show you're involved in you automatically become liable, even if you are not directly in charge.

I hope you have good insurance before getting your ticket.
Interesting...didn't know that.
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Re: So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2013, 10:19:35 pm »

etcp is more about liability than it is about actual knowledge. The problem with holding an etcp card is that in event of an accident on a show you're involved in you automatically become liable, even if you are not directly in charge.

I hope you have good insurance before getting your ticket.

The liability here is what u should be worried about. There are a lot of us that tie in and we are taking a risk when we do.   

Hypothetical situation lets say joe is not a certified electrician and he's the main sound guy who always does the tie ins when there's not a house electrician. But on this one show he ties in like every 100 times before but this time there's a bolt loose in the disconnect. When the disconnect is engaged the bolt falls out and welds itself between 2 phases and the breaker does not trip because its old and the feeder coming to the disconnect gets hot and catches fire.

Well it's nothing joe did but joe was not an electrician well no Lawyer will be able to disprove the fact that joe was not an electrician. Therefor joe will be paying for the damage and liable for any injuries.  Even if an investigation which will be done may prove that it was not joes fault.
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Re: So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2013, 03:30:25 pm »

The liability here is what u should be worried about. There are a lot of us that tie in and we are taking a risk when we do.   

Hypothetical situation lets say joe is not a certified electrician and he's the main sound guy who always does the tie ins when there's not a house electrician. But on this one show he ties in like every 100 times before but this time there's a bolt loose in the disconnect. When the disconnect is engaged the bolt falls out and welds itself between 2 phases and the breaker does not trip because its old and the feeder coming to the disconnect gets hot and catches fire.

Well it's nothing joe did but joe was not an electrician well no Lawyer will be able to disprove the fact that joe was not an electrician. Therefor joe will be paying for the damage and liable for any injuries.  Even if an investigation which will be done may prove that it was not joes fault.

which is why Brian NEVER does tie-ins.  ever ever ever.
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So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2013, 06:44:15 pm »

So, what if you plug an extension cord into a faulty outlet in a bar and the place burns down. Are you just as liable? Is the difference only the type of connector? (Cams vs. Edison)

Not trying to dispute you, just wondering where the line is drawn.
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Re: So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2013, 07:24:05 pm »

So, what if you plug an extension cord into a faulty outlet in a bar and the place burns down. Are you just as liable? Is the difference only the type of connector? (Cams vs. Edison)

Not trying to dispute you, just wondering where the line is drawn.

yes you are still liable regardless of what AC Cables/Distro you use(expecially if its your power distribution) are you are technically are providing power. At least that is my understanding of it.

also as a side note (as i have learned my lesson), you should always carry a GFI outlet tester with you, and before you plug something into an outlet to ensure that the outlets are all good! it won't tell you inproper voltage, but will sort out incorrect wiring.
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Re: So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2013, 07:31:44 pm »

So, what if you plug an extension cord into a faulty outlet in a bar and the place burns down. Are you just as liable? Is the difference only the type of connector? (Cams vs. Edison)

Not trying to dispute you, just wondering where the line is drawn.
it depends where the fault/start of the fire is.

if it's your cable, you're liable....if the bar's wall outlet is faulty and causes the fire, they're liable.

if you're tying in tails directly the fault is generally on whoever did the tie in. if you're just plugging in to existing cams it's the same as plugging into a wall outlet.
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Re: So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2013, 07:43:15 pm »

So, what if you plug an extension cord into a faulty outlet in a bar and the place burns down. Are you just as liable? Is the difference only the type of connector? (Cams vs. Edison)

Not trying to dispute you, just wondering where the line is drawn.

Usually when I hear the term tie in used to me it means that a disconnect or panel has been opened and individual conductors (tails) have been inserted and clamped in the lugs.  Big differance in connecting an Edison or even actual cams to a cam panel.

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Re: So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2013, 04:14:33 am »

Rafi,

The correct term for the resume would be "Entertainment Electrician" or "Stage Lighting Technician" and not simply "Electrician".  The term Electrician would imply that you work on residential or commercial power systems.

I would think that it would take more than a few years working in a theater or union for one to gain enough knowledge of the electrics department to be able to understand the majority of the job.

As for the ESTA certification, its not for beginners. It is geared more toward seasoned pros who want or need some acknowledgment of their skill set for their job (or a better job).

I'll second the Entertainment Electrician course and book from Richard Candena.
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Re: So, when can I say "I am competent with electrics?"
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