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Rob McClellan

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Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« on: February 17, 2013, 10:50:22 pm »

I am in the fortunate position to have a permanent festival stage built on site. We want to also build a permanent FOH mixing/lighting position. QUESTION: What distance is recommended from the front of stage to the mixing desk? We won't have permanent audio installed, so acts/production co's. will run a snake.

Is 50 feet too close?
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2013, 11:58:14 pm »

I am in the fortunate position to have a permanent festival stage built on site. We want to also build a permanent FOH mixing/lighting position. QUESTION: What distance is recommended from the front of stage to the mixing desk? We won't have permanent audio installed, so acts/production co's. will run a snake.

Is 50 feet too close?

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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 03:27:55 am »

Is 50 feet too close?

It completely depends on the size of the event. A general rule is to place the FoH desk at 2/3 of the distance from the stage to the farthest listener.
50 feet is two third of 75' (yes, really). If the audience is on a 75' square and assuming there are 4 square feet per member, the total audience is roughly 1500 people (could be 1000, could be 2000). Does it correspond to what you estimate ?
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 09:36:18 am »

I would say 50' is probably too close unless you're doing a fairly small show. We usually aim for 75' from the downstage edge as a rule of thumb. Most national riders we come across specify about 75' as well.
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 10:28:46 am »

I am in the fortunate position to have a permanent festival stage built on site. We want to also build a permanent FOH mixing/lighting position. QUESTION: What distance is recommended from the front of stage to the mixing desk? We won't have permanent audio installed, so acts/production co's. will run a snake.

Is 50 feet too close?

How far apart are the main L/R speaker arrays?
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2013, 10:37:27 am »

+1

Most frequently requested distance is ~75 feet from apron/front fills/PA.  We had a couple last summer that specified "under 85 feet".

I would say 50' is probably too close unless you're doing a fairly small show. We usually aim for 75' from the downstage edge as a rule of thumb. Most national riders we come across specify about 75' as well.
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2013, 12:48:46 pm »

I would rather be too close than too far. I just love having to walk 50 ft to get hear what the crowd as hearing.
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2013, 12:58:17 pm »

I am in the fortunate position to have a permanent festival stage built on site. We want to also build a permanent FOH mixing/lighting position. QUESTION: What distance is recommended from the front of stage to the mixing desk? We won't have permanent audio installed, so acts/production co's. will run a snake.

Is 50 feet too close?
Be sure to have a good path for them to get their snakes through.  A trench with removable covers is nice.  If you put in conduit-be sure it is large enough (6" is a MINIMUM) with a pull rope.  It is also a good idea to put some drain tubes out the bottom so water doesn't collect. 

It is nice to have some local outlets at FOH for various little things that need to get plugged in-maybe even not part of the sound system "stuff".
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2013, 01:02:54 pm »

Be sure to have a good path for them to get their snakes through.  A trench with removable covers is nice.  If you put in conduit-be sure it is large enough (6" is a MINIMUM) with a pull rope.  It is also a good idea to put some drain tubes out the bottom so water doesn't collect. 

It is nice to have some local outlets at FOH for various little things that need to get plugged in-maybe even not part of the sound system "stuff".

Conduit:  6" minimum, 8" is better.  Use the heavy-duty stuff, not the drainage gauge.  You want the "sewer pipe".  And run two or more.

As for the drainage, make sure it is graded to run off any moisture that gets in.  A "Tee" at either end into a sump or catch-bucket is good.  You can simply pump out anything that collects.
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2013, 01:12:19 pm »

I am in the fortunate position to have a permanent festival stage built on site. We want to also build a permanent FOH mixing/lighting position. QUESTION: What distance is recommended from the front of stage to the mixing desk? We won't have permanent audio installed, so acts/production co's. will run a snake.

Is 50 feet too close?

I've been 65' from the PA, and I've been 300 feet from the PA at festivals. All depends on the capacities. As long as I'm in front of the delay lines and where the majority of the crowd is, I'm happy.



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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 02:12:00 am »

I've been 65' from the PA, and I've been 300 feet from the PA at festivals. All depends on the capacities. As long as I'm in front of the delay lines and where the majority of the crowd is, I'm happy.



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I'll have to agree with this. We just set up at a festival for the weekend and FOH got moved to THIRTY (30) feet from the stage. I'm hearing mostly stage with some monitors and maybe just a tad of the front fills. It sucks.

I'd much rather be too far from the stage and have to mix a bit lower than to be hearing more stage than main PA.
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 08:37:05 am »

I am in the fortunate position to have a permanent festival stage built on site. We want to also build a permanent FOH mixing/lighting position. QUESTION: What distance is recommended from the front of stage to the mixing desk? We won't have permanent audio installed, so acts/production co's. will run a snake.

Is 50 feet too close?

If I recall correctly from the Yamaha book...

*minimum* distance from stage to FOH equates to the distance between the L/R speakers.
*maximum* distance from stage to FOH equates to the distance between the L/R speakers * 2

...you could setup anywhere between min. and max. distance.

Of course, there's other variables/issues that may restrict where FOH can be.  I did a show where the stage speakers were ~30 ft. apart, but we had to setup FOH 100 ft. back.  It worked.


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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2013, 01:23:27 pm »

If I recall correctly from the Yamaha book...

*minimum* distance from stage to FOH equates to the distance between the L/R speakers.
*maximum* distance from stage to FOH equates to the distance between the L/R speakers * 2

...you could setup anywhere between min. and max. distance.

Of course, there's other variables/issues that may restrict where FOH can be.  I did a show where the stage speakers were ~30 ft. apart, but we had to setup FOH 100 ft. back.  It worked.

Those figures might be a bit too arbitrary. For example, I'm FOH this weekend at a festival in a 350' deep tent, but the stage is only 24' wide, PA stacks are less than 30' apart. FOH is about 30' from the stage and it's awful. Even 60' might be too close as you'd just be getting out of downfills and barely into the main array. I'd say 2/3 of the way back from the stage to end of venue, and/or before the first delay zone is a good starting point. As stated already in this thread, 75' for large shows is usually acceptable.
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2013, 03:34:09 pm »

I'll have to agree with this. We just set up at a festival for the weekend and FOH got moved to THIRTY (30) feet from the stage. I'm hearing mostly stage with some monitors and maybe just a tad of the front fills. It sucks.

Isn't it just a little sad that production levels have gotten to the point that this is what the front 500 ticketpayers are listening to?
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2013, 03:44:50 pm »

I am in the fortunate position to have a permanent festival stage built on site. We want to also build a permanent FOH mixing/lighting position. QUESTION: What distance is recommended from the front of stage to the mixing desk? We won't have permanent audio installed, so acts/production co's. will run a snake.

Is 50 feet too close?

Whatever works.  Just add 50 feet if it's Gallagher.
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Re: Distance From Festival Stage to FOH Desk
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2013, 04:15:21 pm »

Isn't it just a little sad that production levels have gotten to the point that this is what the front 500 ticketpayers are listening to?
That's not just an issue with reinforced sound, though... the front few rows at my local symphony are two price categories below the seats directly behind them.
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