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Shawn Keck

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INAUGURATION MICS
« on: January 21, 2013, 04:16:14 pm »

OK, who knows what the mics used for the Inauguration swearing in ceremony were? They were SM57 windscreens but they were not SM57's...and the two mics were different. I know Shure is developing a replacement for the 57 that will meet WHCA specs and still maintain the presidential "look", but nothing has been officially released. Anyone in the trenches there know what was used?
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Re: INAUGURATION MICS
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 06:54:39 pm »

OK, who knows what the mics used for the Inauguration swearing in ceremony were? They were SM57 windscreens but they were not SM57's...and the two mics were different. I know Shure is developing a replacement for the 57 that will meet WHCA specs and still maintain the presidential "look", but nothing has been officially released. Anyone in the trenches there know what was used?
They look like SM 57s to me, though the lighting casts a shadow on the house left mic making it look smaller.

The side by side rather than vertical dual clip that WHCA conceded to bugs me from a sound standpoint, but who cares about audio anyway...
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Re: Inauguration Mics
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 07:36:45 pm »

They look like SM 57s to me, though the lighting casts a shadow on the house left mic making it look smaller.

The side by side rather than vertical dual clip that WHCA conceded to bugs me from a sound standpoint, but who cares about audio anyway...

Yeah, looks like 57s to me as well. And yeah, the side by side is stupid. It looks worse on camera and will cause phasing if both mics are ever on at the same time. Fortunately that is not the SOP.

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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 08:04:25 pm »

Yeah, looks like 57s to me as well. And yeah, the side by side is stupid. It looks worse on camera and will cause phasing if both mics are ever on at the same time. Fortunately that is not the SOP.

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Isn't the second mic just for redundancy? At least that's what I always thought about the presidential set...
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Re: Inauguration Mics
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2013, 08:15:42 pm »

Isn't the second mic just for redundancy? At least that's what I always thought about the presidential set...

It is with White House Communications, but other users who buy that mic mount may not use it that way. The second mic may also be used as a separate feed by WHCA, they are generally responsible for those 2 mics (although not always).

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Re: INAUGURATION MICS
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 08:19:11 pm »

OK, who knows what the mics used for the Inauguration swearing in ceremony were? They were SM57 windscreens but they were not SM57's...and the two mics were different. I know Shure is developing a replacement for the 57 that will meet WHCA specs and still maintain the presidential "look", but nothing has been officially released. Anyone in the trenches there know what was used?

4 years ago it was a Shoeps.  One of my former students works for MSI and was on the gig, I will ask her.

She just confirmed it was again a Shoeps.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2013, 08:27:34 pm by Rick Earl »
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2013, 09:04:40 pm »

4 years ago it was a Shoeps.  One of my former students works for MSI and was on the gig, I will ask her.

She just confirmed it was again a Shoeps.

Condensor if it's calm, SM57 if it's windy?  That's what we do for outdoor lecterns.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2013, 09:23:19 pm »

Condensor if it's calm, SM57 if it's windy?  That's what we do for outdoor lecterns.

My guess would be Shoeps for everything, 57 for WHC SOP back-up without phantom.
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Re: INAUGURATION MICS
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2013, 09:57:42 pm »

They look like SM 57s to me, though the lighting casts a shadow on the house left mic making it look smaller.

The side by side rather than vertical dual clip that WHCA conceded to bugs me from a sound standpoint, but who cares about audio anyway...

Actually, the mic on the left looks like something different to me.  The collar on the windscreen looks to have. Thicker band where it meets the mic as if to make up for a smaller diameter.  And the two holes that are clearly visible where the xlr lock connects with the sm57 are not visible on the mic on the left.

Don't know what the mic is, but I suspect that the shoeps reference may be right on.  If MSI (or eighth day?  I heard from some friends that they saw a bunch of d&b delays that they put up)  did the rig, I can find out easily enough with a quick email.
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Re: INAUGURATION MICS
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2013, 11:55:29 pm »

The one on the left is definitely different...on a cut shot from the side you can see the difference, plus they both looked longer then the 57's, but that could have been camera angle.

I remember reading that there was a custom built mic for 2004, was wondering what was ultimately used this year.
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2013, 12:01:18 am »

Although the left mic does look different, the standard presidential mic setup is this kit shown. It's two SM57 mics with wind screens and the custom dual mount. The mount design has changed a bit over the years.

One mic is used, the other is a backup.

Often times, they'll sneak miniature mics under the wind screens to directly feed the press box.

http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/sm/sm57vip-dual-microphone-kit
« Last Edit: January 22, 2013, 12:05:14 am by paul bell »
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2013, 12:12:31 am »

4 years ago it was a Shoeps.  One of my former students works for MSI and was on the gig, I will ask her.

She just confirmed it was again a Shoeps.

Good job teaching her.. She is awesome and is doing a great job for us..
As for the mic... Some of you are right... Some are wrong...
I'm gonna Defer to Patrick Baltzell or Art Issacs on this one... We don't want to be giving away to many secrets.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2013, 09:36:32 am »

There's no secrets about these mics. It's been discussed here a few times over the years. Anybody can call Shure and order the kit.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2013, 10:25:46 am »

There's no secrets about these mics. It's been discussed here a few times over the years. Anybody can call Shure and order the kit.
You can call and order the kit, but you're not going to get the (kit) that was used yesterday... Which I believe is what (this) discussion is about.

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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2013, 10:39:11 am »

That's correct. One mic was swapped. Although I don't believe this is a matter of national security.
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Re: INAUGURATION MICS
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2013, 10:41:50 am »

That's correct. One mic was swapped. Although I don't believe this is a matter of national security.

I'm guessing it's more of a trade secret/proprietary issue, perhaps with White House Communications paying for the development.
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2013, 10:48:51 am »

That's correct. One mic was swapped. Although I don't believe this is a matter of national security.

It's not... Just seems like a few audio guys having a chat about how one of the highest profile lectern gigs in the world was approached.

I can see the capitol building out my front door here, and I spent some time this past week chatting with Art Isaacs (crew chief) about the setup and approach. We didn't talk mics, and no it wasn't a hugely important discussion, but it's always educational to hear Art's opinions and perspective.

I guess we should stop all of this discussion nonsense, and get back to answering redundant questions about the X32... Much more acceptable topic after all.

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« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2013, 01:59:17 pm »

This topic does seem to pop up every four years. ;D

Agreed Steve, how 'bout the X32?
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« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2013, 06:41:04 pm »

I'm guessing it's more of a trade secret/proprietary issue, perhaps with White House Communications paying for the development.

You mean with Mr. Middleclass paying for it.
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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2013, 07:01:33 pm »

  HERE WE GO! ::)
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2013, 09:35:19 pm »


You mean with Mr. Middleclass paying for it.

FWIW, WHCA is a military unit and not affiliated directly with the administrative branch of the government.  Not sure if their budget comes out of the defense budget, but I suspect it does....
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2013, 10:13:14 pm »

FWIW, WHCA is a military unit and not affiliated directly with the administrative branch of the government.  Not sure if their budget comes out of the defense budget, but I suspect it does....
Dont even get me started on the Military(Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine) bands. They have some of the nicest gear our money can buy.
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2013, 10:49:19 pm »

Dont even get me started on the Military(Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine) bands. They have some of the nicest gear our money can buy.

Why shouldn't they? I have one of the navy bands in Saturday and they have Meyer upa's for fog and shure in ears for monitors. They downsized last year from a m7 to a ls9.

In other words they have what any good corporate band should have.

And they don't charge anything for performing.
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2013, 08:46:14 am »

Why shouldn't they? I have one of the navy bands in Saturday and they have Meyer upa's for fog and shure in ears for monitors. They downsized last year from a m7 to a ls9.

In other words they have what any good corporate band should have.

And they don't charge anything for performing.

They are also some of the most talented musicians who perform in the most adverse conditions. They use the nicest gear out there and we pay for it all.
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