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Re: Danley Sound Labs IHOP
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2013, 03:44:22 PM »


My guess would be it looks something like the B-DEAP (The Boundary Dependent Ext-ernal Air Path)
While it uses the front of the cabinet as part of the boundary-there are a lot of differences (except that they both use 12" drivers).  The IHOP uses 4 of a very different kind of 12" driver and a different "horn taper" with the exit very different.

As a result it goes much louder and lower and is only slightly larger.

The BDEAP was more "dependant" on the external air path-while the IHOP is just more "part of it".
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Re: Danley Sound Labs IHOP
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2013, 05:46:58 PM »

While it uses the front of the cabinet as part of the boundary-there are a lot of differences (except that they both use 12" drivers).  The IHOP uses 4 of a very different kind of 12" driver and a different "horn taper" with the exit very different.

As a result it goes much louder and lower and is only slightly larger.

The BDEAP was more "dependant" on the external air path-while the IHOP is just more "part of it".


Will low frequency extension be increased with multiple IHOPs?

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Re: Danley Sound Labs IHOP
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2013, 07:02:41 PM »


Will low frequency extension be increased with multiple IHOPs?
Probably not-but directivity would be.

One common "misconception" in the "bass horn world"-is that the low freq extension gets lower with more cabinets.

While that is "technically true", it is not as much as most would like to think.  You never hear any body quoting real numbers.

Yes it does go down-a little.  But it "appears" to be lower with more cabinets.  What is really happening is that a single typical bass horn has a jagged response down low-with a single cabinet.  When you add multiple cabinets, the impedance coupling to the air becomes better, and the "valleys" start to fill in.

So while it may appear to be lower-what you are hearing is actually just a smoother response-with a little bit of extension.

For example on the Danley DBH218-basically a regular horn, when you go from 1 to 4 cabinets-the low freq (as measured by the 3dB down point as referenced to the average (whatever that is) sensitivity-goes down about 2 Hz.

So yes it is lower-but not WOW that is a lot lower.  The bass just "fills in".

Think of it like this (and a game some manufacturers like to play).  Take a bass cabinet and have a low pass at say 80Hz-and listen to it.  Now simply lower the lowpass to say 60Hz.

 It "appears" like the cabinet has a deeper response-yet the actual response is not any lower.  There is just less highs to "get in the way".  So with the "filled in notches", the ratio of lows to highs gets less-so it appears like there is more bass-which there is-but not really any deeper.

No I have not played around with a bunch of different horns-and my experience is a bit limited.  HOWEVER I would love to see measurements of 1-2-4 of the same bass horns and see what happens with other designs.

If not far off topic-the whole idea of the Tapped horn was to have a smooth response down low (without the ripples) with a single cabinet.  Multiples don't go any lower-but do gain directivity.   The tradeoff is that the response up high (well out of the operating band) the response gets a bit ragged.

That is why Tapped horns make lousy bass guitar cabinets-the upper response is "out of whack".

Perception is not always reality.  Hence the reason to MEASURE and CONFIRM.

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Re: Danley Sound Labs IHOP
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2013, 09:28:07 PM »

The IHOP uses 4 of a very different kind of 12" driver and a different "horn taper" with the exit very different.
As a result it goes much louder and lower and is only slightly larger.
Ivan,
What are the IHOP cabinet dimensions?
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Re: Danley Sound Labs IHOP
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2013, 09:41:03 PM »

One common "misconception" in the "bass horn world"-is that the low freq extension gets lower with more cabinets.

While that is "technically true", it is not as much as most would like to think.  You never hear any body quoting real numbers.
Perception is not always reality.  Hence the reason to MEASURE and CONFIRM.
Right, a lot of people don't seem to realize that when you go from 1 to 2 subs (of any type) you gain 6 dB, and 1 to four is 12 dB, plus a lot of directivity gained.

It is interesting to see how directivity changes with different cabinet types and arrays.
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Re: New Danley Sound Labs IHOP-Super Subwoofer
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2013, 11:50:06 PM »

Idle curiosity on my part: do many manufacturers actually publish specs on the directivity of their subs?
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Re: New Danley Sound Labs IHOP-Super Subwoofer
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2013, 11:31:12 AM »

Idle curiosity on my part: do many manufacturers actually publish specs on the directivity of their subs?
No, they don't.
EAW has some unusual test protocols that yield some interesting data, but also make their specs a bit hard to compare to others.
I happened to run across this one when it was brought up on diyAudio recently by a guy who took the chart as an indication that LF does not increase in multiple bass horns. He had evidently not read the footnotes regarding drive voltage, without which it would appear that LF hardly increased in multiples.


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Re: Danley Sound Labs IHOP
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2013, 11:58:27 AM »

Ivan,
What are the IHOP cabinet dimensions?
It is 50x50" and 18 or 19" deep  (I don't remember off hand).

Yes a bit odd dimensions-but it was originally a military project-so it to fit certain criteria.

Depending on usage-those dimensions are really useful or not so useful.

At the open demo on Monday-a good number of people will get to hear it-and give their impressions.
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2013, 03:10:26 PM »

It is 50x50" and 18 or 19" deep  (I don't remember off hand).

Yes a bit odd dimensions-but it was originally a military project-so it to fit certain criteria.
Looks like four fit in the back of a Humvee, party on dudes!
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Re: New Danley Sound Labs IHOP-Super Subwoofer
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2013, 08:29:09 PM »

Shhhh loose lips sink ships.

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